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black_saber Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 1/6/05 7:52pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Here some changes I would do. 1. I would change Darth Vaders voice in A New Hope and have him sound like Vader From ESB and ROTJ. 2. I would have yoda Be in 3D as well as The Phantom Menace. 3. I show Star Destoryers go into the Death Star in A New hope for repair and stuff. 4. I would show the Battle of Courcant in Return of the Jedi. -----signature----- "Just when I thought I was out , they push me back in." I never liked micheal Jackson and he was always a looney.
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Darth_Monarch Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 1/6/05 10:48pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Enough with the changes already, just make all the lightsaber blades look like the PT ones. No more, geez. Oh and fix the sound, but that is something else entirely. -----signature----- Do you think I'll stand out in a sea of Star Wars icons with a purple tentacle?
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/6/05 11:45pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 12:13am (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTHFINGERZ
	I love these type of threads cuz some people have the same changes in mind as I do & its cool 2 speculate on what could be done. I posted my "changes wish list" before but here it is updated a bit..... ANH: 1.Touch up all lightsabre effects and colors. 2.When Vader is speaking to Tarkin cut right to Tarkin to avoid the infamous silent hand gesture. 3.Darken Vaders eyes so that you cannot see inside the mask. 4.Do NOT show Palpatine dissolving the Senate. I used to be for this idea but now I think it would be distracting and redundant since Tarkin mentions it. 5.ADD Vader speaking to Palpatine at the end BEFORE the ceremony though. The award ceremony should remain the last scene in the film. They can speak upon the events that have occured. 6.FIX all matte lines and boxes. 7.Fix any explosions that look kind of faded looking. 8.DO NOT show Yoda. It just would not fit anywhere. 9.Show Alderaan and then Bail Organa and everyone (for continuity sake) getting blown away Armageddon style. 8.Enhance all of the backgrounds and computer-panels on the DeathStar just like they enhanced the backgrounds on CloudCity in the ESB SE. 9.Fix all of the frame jumps. 10.PLEASE...put back Han shooting first! ! ! 11.If possible, extend the Vader/Obi-1 duel (using alternate angles or new long distance shots using CG or stunt doubles) just to spice it up. 12.PLEASE put in The ImperialMarch and spruce up the sound track overall here and there! 13.FIX all vocal audio issues. 14.Maybe add a few CG aliens inside the Cantina. Maybe an even OLDER Watoo or something like that. 15.FIX the arm on the floor in the Cantina so that it actually looks like the arm of the same alien Obi-1 attacks. 16.FIX up any continuity errors for the DS battle at the end with ships reappearing after they have been taken out. 17.Possibly re-record all of Vader's dialogue so it matches up better with his deeper ESB & ROTJ voice. 18.LEAVE OUT the TocheStation scene & Luke watching the battle, they would kill the flow and pacing. (plus IMO they really aren't great scenes anyway) 19.Tone down the colors overall...they were made a bit TOO bright. 20.CG the device Vader uses to try to get info out of the Princess. TESB: 1.Touch up all lightsabre effects and colors. 2.FIX Luke's lightsabre sound going off when it doesn't in the cave. 3.FIX any remaining matte lines or boxes. 4.Show the Wampas invading EchoBase on Hoth and put back in that whole subplot. 5.Leave out the whole bit of Vader leaving and arriving...or atleast leave out him arriving (& re-using an ROTJ alternate angle) AND put back in the original line he spoke! 6.ADD in a Hamlet type scene of vader simply holding the severed head of c3Po after he's been blown up. (for continuity sake) Keep it subtle though, no dialogue even needed from Vader. 7.DO NOT touch or replace Yoda with CG. ROTJ: 1.Touch up all lightsabre effects and colors. 2.FIX any remaining matte lines or boxes. 3.Perhaps add Kashyyk to the final celebration. 4.Add some CG aliens to Jabbas palace here and there in the background shots. 5.Tone down the whole musical number so that it is less comical and perhaps put back in the original song since it was way more fitting for the envoronment. 6.LEAVE OUT the sandstorm scene. The transition from Tatooine and then Luke speaking in his ship is fine as it is. 7.Again, DO NOT touch or replace Yoda with CG. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/7/05 12:25am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	In regards to Jabba.....I think I'm the only person that thinks the newer ANH Jabba is better then TPM version. And I know people are gonna hate me for this but I'd kinda like to see them do (a little) CG work on the ROTJ Jabba. Not replace him - but maybe CG his mouth or his eyes so they are more life like and fit more with the other 2 CG versions of him. Either that or make a better live PUPPET and edit the same one into all 3 films so he is 100% consistent throughout. In TPM he is so fat and round and lighter toned, then in ANH thinner and darker, then in ROTJ he's an obvious gigantic rubber puppet with such limmited mobility. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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DamonD Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 1/7/05 2:53am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	All I'd want is the lightsabre effects touched up. They'd probably need to re-do a lot of them with CG. I'm not really bothered by anything else, certainly not enough to want it changed. Luke's scream in ESB was my biggest bug-bear and they already chopped that, thank God. -----signature----- I love all 6 Star Wars films. Live with it. Member of FIGS, the Fantastic Ian (McDiarmid) Gushers Society.
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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/7/05 5:56am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I don't know if the changes would be made, but I would like to see - A Vader-goes-to-Coruscant scene inserted into A New Hope. Lucas said he wanted to do this in the commentary but couldn't at the time. It could be pulled off with CGI and Lucas may have filmed it with Hayden's new Vader suit and Ian still in costume from ROTS. They would hopefully talk about the destruction of the Death Star and say that they felt a new Force. Also, the Imperial March should be put into A New Hope. All puppets such as the ones in Jabbas palace or the cantina should be improved with CGI, as in, made to blink or move better and more realistically. Ponda Babas blood should be removed and he should be given another pair of eyes like all Aqualish. Dugs, and other prequel aliens, should be added. So put some Dugs into Tatooine, around the cantina and in Jabba's palace. All lightsabers should all be corrected most notably the white saber on the Falcon. Also, it would be nice to see CGI Ewoks added to the Endor forests and CGI tauntauns added to the back of Echo Base to make it look more natural and lived in. And all computer displays should look more advanced and holograms should be added. R2's plans of the Death Star should be improved to look more prequel trilogy-ish. I know that the Rebellion has poor income and little supplies but it would still look better. Just this to add then! It sounds like I hate the OT but it is perfect already, but these changes could make it even more so. I will be interested to see what Lucas does do for the 30th Anniversary. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/7/05 9:14am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 9:34am (1 edits total) Edited By: Guy-Gone_Weird
	I certainly think that Lucas should release the original versions of the trilogy as maybe a "Classic" collection, but he also should continue to improve the SE/DVD version. The thing I'm sure Lucas keeps in mind is the next generation. When people in the next generation watch the six movies in order, he wants it to fit, and not have to ride on the exuse of them being made out of order. I've been working on watching A New Hope to see what would be fine and what really needs improvement. I'll try to list them here in several posts so you people who do like the idea of changes can agree/disagree. First off, John Williams really should rescore and re-record a lot of the score with the much larger orchestra he has used since the Prequels. He can then add in the Imperial March and any other themes he wants to add. The crawl was redone very well for the DVD release, so it just needs re-recorded music. I really only think the lasers should be redone in the first few shots, and the explosion on the top of the Tantive before we see the droids. Almost everything from the live action is good, although the Stormtroopers' blasts should be redone. It would be nice to have the stun blast redone, but it really seems fine to me. I'd say that the whole part where C-3PO and R2-D2 wander through the desert is fine. The Jawa, Homestead, Garage, and Dinner scenes are all perfectly fine. The only thing that could be changed in the search for R2 scenes is to redo or cleanup Luke's electrobinoculars. His has numbers at the bottom which bug me, while Darth Maul's had an alien language. Then the whole Sandpeople part is fine. Then everything is fine until Luke turns on Anakin's saber. They need to fix that. Then it is fine until they show the Death Star. Compared to the ROTJ Death Star it just looks fake. It would be nice to have a new cg shot there. Also they need to watch for those pesky matte boxes. The torched homestead is fine. Then theres another Death Star shot to be fixed. Then the interrogation of Princess Leia is fine, although the droid could be flying a bit less wobbley. -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus Come visit our creative community! (WIP) http://www.creative-blender.com/
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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/7/05 9:36am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I agree with you. At least they changed the English text on the tractor beam. They should give the Death Star surface a CGI makeover and insert the scene with Vader going to Coruscant. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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The-Tennis-Ball-Kid Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/7/05 9:47am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I certainly think that Lucas should release the original versions of the trilogy as maybe a "Classic" collection, but he also should continue to improve the SE/DVD version. I guess I can agree with that, within reason. First off, John Williams really should rescore and re-record a lot of the score with the much larger orchestra he has used since the Prequels. He can then add in the Imperial March and any other themes he wants to add. The crawl was redone very well for the DVD release, so it just needs re-recorded music. The orchestra is the same size, I don't know what you're getting at there...why add the Imperial March? The film isn't about Vader(to the extent ESB was) so Williams gave him a rather low-key theme, adding the bombast of the IM would completely change the feel of the film, and be a huge mistake IMO. As for the crawl, that's the best version of the crawl music in the whole freakin' series! Far, far better than the one used for TPM and AOTC. His has numbers at the bottom which bug me, while Darth Maul's had an alien language. Did you ever think that Luke's might be a different model? I don't understand the fascination with Vader going to Coruscant, what's supposed to happen in this scene? ttbk -----signature----- "Foreshadowing with a sledgehammer....."
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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/7/05 10:08am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	No, its just that Lucas said he would like to include this scene, and I think it would work. Also, no English text appears in any SW film now, only numbers. Which makes sense really because even though a word in any of this worlds languages is different, the number characters look the same in almost every language. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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DARTH_CHINA Registered: Dec '01	Date Posted: 1/7/05 10:22am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 10:23am (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTH_CHINA
	There'll probably be changes again, it's kinda unavoidable, it's the destiny of every SW release. But they'll probably be minor again. ANH: * As said before the lightsabers should be improved. * With Eps.III being finished, it's likely the Alderaan explosion could be expanded a little bit with interior shots of the planet. * Lucas talking about (during audio commentary ANH end credits) not being able to do a scene in which Vader visits the emperor at the end of ANH back then, made me suspicious. * some musical tweaks? ESB&ROTJ: lightsaber fixes. That'll probably be all. In the future, I think ANH will be the only episode that could get more additions.
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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/7/05 12:47pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	The film isn't about Vader(to the extent ESB was) so Williams gave him a rather low-key theme, adding the bombast of the IM would completely change the feel of the film, and be a huge mistake IMO. Actually Lucas has said several times that the whole saga is about Darth Vader. To deny him his theme in the first movie we see of him since the climax of Episode III would just be a crime. Even John Williams has said that he'd like to go back and put it and several other themes in. And besides, if GL did release the original versions on DVD, why would anyone who liked the originals really care if he made major changes to an alternate version? Seems to me that it would make everyone happy. -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus Come visit our creative community! (WIP) http://www.creative-blender.com/
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black_saber Registered: Apr '02	Date Posted: 1/7/05 12:53pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I would love to see Vader vist the Emperor in A New Hope. That would be cool. I would change C-3PO voice so he can sound like ESB, ROTJ and so on. I would his werid sounds go away everytime C-3PO. If any Movies should be Changed its A new Hope. -----signature----- "Just when I thought I was out , they push me back in." I never liked micheal Jackson and he was always a looney.
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/7/05 1:12pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 1:23pm (2 edits total) Edited By: DARTHFINGERZ
	Yeah ^ ANH is still the most in need of work IMO. & ironically it is the one they have already touched up so much. Dont get me wrong....they could do NO changes ever again & I'd be okay with it.....its just if changes were to be made the stuff I mentioned here is what I'd like 2 see. The reasons it needs the most work still I think is cuz...... It was the first one made, it was low budget, technology then could only accomplish so much, & there was time constraints. NOW after the ESB & ROTJ sequels & the 3 prequels we have 5 other movies against ANH to compare it to...... And also to try to have it match up with in relation & with continuity in mind to the other 5 SW films. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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The-Tennis-Ball-Kid Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/7/05 1:14pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Actually Lucas has said several times that the whole saga is about Darth Vader. Yes, but Luke is still the central character of ANH. To deny him his theme in the first movie we see of him since the climax of Episode III would just be a crime. It's not denying him his theme, he still has a theme, it's called 'Darth Vader's theme', and I think it works rather well. The mechanical sound of it shows how little humanity is left in him; whereas the IM is closely connected to 'Anakin's theme' and comes back in ESB when he has learned of his son. And besides, if GL did release the original versions on DVD, why would anyone who liked the originals really care if he made major changes to an alternate version? Because I think it's better for the film the way it is, and there's no solid reason to believe that Lucas will release the original films on DVD. ttbk -----signature----- "Foreshadowing with a sledgehammer....."
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