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Author Topic: Official Thread: Discussion of Potential Changes to the Classic Trilogy for Future Releases
Ididitall4thewookie  824 posts
Registered: Jun '04
22365_Chewbacca
Date Posted: 1/7/05 1:20pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
Make the taun tauns digital!! They still look almost claymation and in the context of everything else, it looks like Clash of the Titans.

 

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DARTHFINGERZ  1528 posts
Registered: Nov '04
13558_Qui-Gon Jinn
Date Posted: 1/7/05 1:28pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 1:31pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTHFINGERZ
"Make the taun tauns digital!! They still look almost claymation and in the context of everything else, it looks like Clash of the Titans."

Yeah, either make them CG or put some stop motion animation in Episode 3. (which we know they wont)
Otherwise it seems odd when viewing the movies in order to have CG everything across the wall for the first 3 movies then CG bits and pieces here and there for the final 3 movies. This is there own fault though for using way to much CG in the prequels.

I dont have too much of an issue with the tauntauns though.

 

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jedimasterbac  6234 posts
Title: CT and Fan Design Manager
 Registered: Jun '04
24180_Obi-Wan Art
Date Posted: 1/7/05 3:47pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
EPISODE IV

-Emperor Palpatine dissolving the Senate; Mon
Mothma being present and objecting.

-Bail Organa and Jar-jar Binks on Alderaan
just before it is destroyed. (Not to just
kill of Jar-Jar, only to give closure to the
two characters.

-Scene on Coruscant where Darth Vader relays
the new information to Darth Sidious. Show
statues of Darth Bane, Darth
Plagueis, Darth Maul, Darth Tyranus,
Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader.

-Fix lightsaber effects

EPISODE V

-Fix up Lightsaber effects

-Make Taun-Tauns CGI

-Mention Qui-Gon Jinn

EPISODE VI

-Take out "Jedi Rocks"

-Fix up Anakin's ghost. I can't Hayden's
"Excorcist stare". Have Hayden seem more
happy. Also, perhaps give him his own robes.
There maybe a whole "but he is completely
within the light now" explination. Which
ever, as long as his head is no longer
superimposed on Sebastian Shaw's body.


 

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Guy-Gone_Weird  114 posts
Registered: Jul '03
22845_Grievous
Date Posted: 1/7/05 5:14pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
It's not denying him his theme, he still has a theme, it's called 'Darth Vader's theme', and I think it works rather well. The mechanical sound of it shows how little humanity is left in him; whereas the IM is closely connected to 'Anakin's theme' and comes back in ESB when he has learned of his son.


You seem a bit confused my friend. The Imperial March and Darth Vader's Theme are one and the same. Anakin's theme was played mainly in TPM, although you can hear parts of it in AOTC. John Williams didn't write the Imperial March/Vader's Theme until ESB. However he wants to put it in ANH since the only real bad guy themes are the four-note Death Star theme and the little piece that sounds like a modified version of the nutcracker suite.

 

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The-Tennis-Ball-Kid  840 posts
Registered: Sep '04
23956_Music by...
Date Posted: 1/7/05 5:28pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 5:30pm (1 edits total) Edited By: The-Tennis-Ball-Kid
The Imperial March and Darth Vader's Theme are one and the same. Anakin's theme was played mainly in TPM

Anakin's theme closes with the first four notes of the IM, The Imperial March and Anakin's theme are closely related, with the IM being a more developed version of the ending.
the little piece that sounds like a modified version of the nutcracker suite.

Which, according to the liner notes of the orignal soundtrack album(written by John Williams), is Darth Vader's theme. And yes, I know that the IM is also DV's theme. And it has nothing to do with 'The Nutcracker'....

What do you say to that, my friend? happy
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Guy-Gone_Weird  114 posts
Registered: Jul '03
22845_Grievous
Date Posted: 1/7/05 6:13pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 6:14pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Guy-Gone_Weird
Obviously when Williams scored ESB, he found that Darth Vader had no clear iconic tune that people would be remember. When that happened the good tune that was in ANH was replaced. So, what I told you was true.....from a certain point of view. tongue

But seriously, I do understand what you mean, but Darth Vader isn't remembered for that tune in ANH, he's remembered for a slower darker version of the Imperial March. When watching the movies in order, it can be seen that its absence is noticeable. If more changes are to be made, it would be a very important one.

 

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The-Tennis-Ball-Kid  840 posts
Registered: Sep '04
23956_Music by...
Date Posted: 1/7/05 8:09pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/7/05 8:11pm (2 edits total) Edited By: The-Tennis-Ball-Kid
Obviously when Williams scored ESB, he found that Darth Vader had no clear iconic tune that people would be remember.

Or that his increased stage presence merited a more rousing anthem, which would also celebrate the victories of The evil galactic empire.
When watching the movies in order, it can be seen that its absence is noticeable.

But that's the essence of my point, it sounds different because it represents how he is more man than machine, then in ESB where he learns of Luke, his humanity begins to come back, and is accompanied by the IM. So to me, even if it wasn't intended from the begining to be that way, it makes sense that the Imperial March isn't in ANH. I guess we disagree though, huh? tongue

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war_monger  8281 posts
Registered: Jun '03
18918_Aayla Secura
Date Posted: 1/7/05 8:54pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
A fanboy's wishlist to Santa:


1. Fix up ALL saber effects that were screwed up in the DVD release, especially Luke's on the Falcon and the shot of the sabers crossing in front of Sidious' face.

2. Fix the lightsaber A/V incongruity when Luke leaves the Wampa cave.

3. Take out the Jabba scene in ANH. That's not gonna happen, but we can always hope they get rid of Boba. Re-do the CGI if the scene is left in.

4. CGI some of the ANH Space Battle. Don't add new ships or anything, just enhance ILM's work. It was supposed to be a relatively tiny and hopeless fight, adding new ships would detract from that.

5. Han shot first. Let him do it again.

6. It pains me to say this, it really and truly does. CGI Yoda. I have a hard time taking in the CGI to puppet switch.

7. As said on the first page, re-insert the orders to destroy Endor. Adding that scene in is like the inclusion of the Mouth of Sauron in RotK- it makes the final battle completely different.

8. CGI the Taun-Tauns.

9. Emperor's slugs. Nuff said.

10. As much as I love the RotJ space battle, give it a small CGI kick. Nothing too big, just a hint of PT-style action.

11. No completely new scenes should be included (dissolution of the Senate, Bail on Alderaan, etc.)

12. (Purely fanboy thinking, I'm not sure if I'd ever want this in the movie)- Give Luke's eyes a hint of yellow after he cuts off Vader's hand. It disappears when he looks at his own hand and sees the parallel. mischief

 

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Atticus  2541 posts
Registered: May '02
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Date Posted: 1/7/05 9:56pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
-Change Boba Fett's voice back to the original since it wouldn't make sense why he still sounds like his dad 24 years after he died.


That makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, Boba is Jango's clone, same voice, appearance everything, the clones have Jango's voice, so should Boba.

Boba wouldn't have the same accent as his dad. Accents are from your environment and expierences. If I was cloned 3 times and then they were seperated and lived in different countries, they would all sound different and have different accents.

 

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Guy-Gone_Weird  114 posts
Registered: Jul '03
22845_Grievous
Date Posted: 1/8/05 9:50am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
But that's the essence of my point, it sounds different because it represents how he is more man than machine, then in ESB where he learns of Luke, his humanity begins to come back, and is accompanied by the IM. So to me, even if it wasn't intended from the begining to be that way, it makes sense that the Imperial March isn't in ANH. I guess we disagree though, huh?


Yeah. grin I guess i just associate the fact that Anakin's theme' end sounds like Darth Vader's theme/IM because it is foreshadowing.

I don't know if I could be okay with a totally redone CG Yoda in ANH and ROTJ. Maybe they could just add a bit of cg to his facial expressions, so they match AOTC and ROTS without killing off the old Yoda we know and love.

I have to disagree about not adding new scenes. If done well, they could help the story. IMO, the Jabba scene is redundant from the Greedo scene. I think they mainly did it to show off a CG Jabba, which in the original SE, looked like a blob of jello with gigantic eyes. However, the suggested Bail talking to Vader scene would be very effective. It would be nice to fit Palps in ANH somewhere, although Yoda in ANH is not necessary and wouldn't fit in any way that I can see.

 

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Magic_Al  556 posts
Registered: Sep '03
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Date Posted: 1/8/05 10:05am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
I'm against rescoring ANH for the sake of adding the newer Darth Vader/Imperial March theme. What should happen is that Williams finds a way to make the music of ROTS lead into the music of ANH.

As for the comment about the Death Star gaining Star Destroyer escorts: how would you see them? The Death Star is so huge that Star Destroyers are mere specks against it. In ANH we see Vader's Star Destroyer approach the DS at high speed, shrinking to small size but not even beginning to slow down yet which means it will get much smaller before it gets there. In ROTJ we see a Super Star Destroyer crash into the DS2, and at a distance when you can see the whole length of the ship you can't even see the curvature of the DS2's surface. The first DS might be smaller but so are regular Star Destroyers.

 
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Guy-Gone_Weird  114 posts
Registered: Jul '03
22845_Grievous
Date Posted: 1/8/05 11:10am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
Simple. They just add a shot where the Destroyers are far ahead of it. I never said it should be that close to it. Just around it.

 

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Ceethreepio  8895 posts
Registered: Mar '03
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Date Posted: 1/8/05 4:26pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
I just want them if they make a CG Jabba, make him look like the one in RotJ

 

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D-VaderMan 
Registered: Jan '05
17275_Luke Skywalker
Date Posted: 1/8/05 8:15pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
remove JAR JAR

 
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Strilo  32560 posts
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Date Posted: 1/9/05 11:53am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/9/05 11:55am (1 edits total) Edited By: Strilo
OK I know some of this is old but I really like this thread so I am replying... grin

Sheesh...were people this anxious for more after the SE's in 97?

I was. There were way too many problems they didn't fix. And problems they added.


Change Boba Fett's voice back to the original since it wouldn't make sense why he still sounds like his dad 24 years after he died.

OK ummm... Julian Lennon still sounds like his dad, who has been dead for 24 years. The voice is plausible.


They should fix that, and maybe add some kind of smaller external explosions to it so it doesn't look like it just "pops".

No way. The explosion of the Death Star in ANH is one of the most unique and recognizable explosions in film history. It's an icon. Adding the shock wave was fine. I like that. But leave the content of the original explosion alone.


Boba wouldn't have the same accent as his dad. Accents are from your environment and expierences. If I was cloned 3 times and then they were seperated and lived in different countries, they would all sound different and have different accents.

Boba had the accent when he was 10... and probably also if he is in ROTS he will have it as well. Once you are that old, the accent will likely never go away. He will carry it the rest of his life.


As for things they need to change/fix:

-Restore music at the beginning of the X-Wing attack in ANH
-Re-render Jabba in ANH... it's better but still not good enough
-Add the Imperial March to places in ANH where it fits
-Touch up the scenes where Luke ignites his saber so he does not jump in frame
-Add brief shots of Alderaan's city and the Death Star coming into the Alderaan sky before switching to the Death Star display shot.
-Remix Beru's lines so she has the same reverb "space" on her voice that Owen does in all the scenes at the dinner table
-Remove the "Alert my Star Destroyer" line
-Change the light level of Ian's Emperor scene in ESB so we can barely see his face and it matchs TPM more closely.
-Paint out Jerjerrod in the TESB shot reused from ROTJ
-Tone down the in-your-face antics of the Jedi Rocks number and redo the CGI ... it's terrible
-Have Williams compose new score for the tracked section of "Yoda and the Force" heard immediately before "Brother and Sister"
-Add Kashyyyk to the final celebration in ROTJ
-Fix the colors of all the sabers in all three films so they are correct and CONSISTANT
-Restore explosions to full color instead of going greyscale
-Fix all matte lines and boxes still visible
-Have Williams re-record the scores for all three films EXACTLY AS IS to improve the terrible sound quality. A few minor changes or additions here and there might be fine.

 

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