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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 12:37am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	These are Lucas' films and his original plan was to release the DVD set in 2007 with all of the changes. On the commentary he often laments a lot of the scenes, saying how he would like them to be different. After ROTS he will have the time to make the ultimate versions. Why is it so upsetting to think that George wants to alter the trilogy? Hes done it before. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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Sanctuary_Moon Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 5:56am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Why is it so upsetting to think that George wants to alter the trilogy? He's done it before. Because not everyone thinks that what he's done to the trilogy so far has been that great. These films are no longer the ones that I grew up with now, let alone when Lucas has finished with them (if he ever does - I don't think he'll ever leave them alone.) Just let us have the originals as well as the latest "definitive" versions. -----signature----- "There will only be one (Special Edition).....it'll be the final cut. The other one will be some sort of interesting artefact that people will look at and say, 'There was an earlier draft of this'." – George Lucas, February 1997
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Yoda_Jedi_Luke Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 7:48am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	But Lucas does not want those to surface again. He says that the original SW was only 25% of what he wanted it to be. And people act as though the OT is ruined now, which is ridiculous, the story is what is carried through, and thats all that matters. These films are timeless and will shine no matter what they look like. -----signature----- The Force will be with you...always \|-o-\| <-o-> [-oo-] [-o-] [-oo-]<-o-> \|-o-\| "Marge, you're as pretty as Princess Leia and as smart as Yoda" - Homer Simpson
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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 8:42am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/11/05 8:43am (1 edits total) Edited By: Guy-Gone_Weird
	If you make a painting that you aren't satisfied with, but everyone thinks it's a masterpiece, you as the artist and creator of the painting have the human right to alter it in whatever way pleases you. Regardless of the peoples' opinions. This is true of movie making. I made a fanfilm called Spoof Wars: The Dubious Maneuver which was thrown together very quickly in the post-production stages. There was a shot where a main character does a force flip like Mace Windu. It looked so fake and cheesy that everyone loved it. In 6 months we began work on a Special Edition. We replaced the flip with a better looking force jump instead. Many people were dissappointed, but in time they realized as we did, that the new shot was more towards our original intention. Just think of all the fans that were pissed that Tom Bombadil was not in FOTR. And yet, in a feature film perspective, it would have seriously slowed the pacing of the film. George Lucas has every right to alter his movies in whatever way he wants. Just listen to the commentaries and watch the Empire of Dreams documentary. He was never pleased. The Cantina Scene had giant crickets for God's sake! Whatever he wants to do to the movies is his perogative. -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus Come visit our creative community! (WIP) http://www.creative-blender.com/
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Sanctuary_Moon Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 8:54am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Well, those giant crickets eventually found their way into AotC . Are you saying you'd be happy for Lucas to keep on changing the films ad infinitum, even if this means eventually replacing every effect with CGI and altering dialogue, storyline and characters as he sees fit? Eventually the films would be unrecoginizable. Where does it end? Just because Lucas can do it - do you think he should? -----signature----- "There will only be one (Special Edition).....it'll be the final cut. The other one will be some sort of interesting artefact that people will look at and say, 'There was an earlier draft of this'." – George Lucas, February 1997
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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 10:00am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Certainly. It's his creation. Besides, it's not like the Original versions are all that rare and hard to find. -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus Come visit our creative community! (WIP) http://www.creative-blender.com/
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OT_fan Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 10:39am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	This may sound strange but I got to thinking that since Hayden has replaced Sebastion Shaw in the ghost scene, why not replace Shaw in the scene where he takes off his helmet and talks to Luke before he dies. I'm sure technically it could be done. Shave Hayden's head, age him a bit with makeup, add the scars, etc. I personally didn't like the idea of replacing Shaw in the ghost scene but since he did, it seems, to me anyway, that its logical to replace Shaw with Hayden in the death scene too. The reason I feel this way is simply because Shaw looks nothing like Hayden. If GL didn't change the ghost scene then suspension of belief would lead the audience to believe that Anakin has just aged this way. Now, however, to see the dramatic change from Shaw back to Hayden within a short time within the same movie will ruin that suspension of belief. If we look at other characters that are portrayed by different actors from the PT to the OT, we see a pretty close match. Ewan looks like Alec. Palpatine is the same. From what I've seen, the fellow playing Tarkin looks eerily similar. There may be other examples I can't recall at the moment but the one glaring inconsistency is Hayden looks nothing like Shaw and vice-versa. I'm sure technically this scene wouldn't be a problem. In fact, If memory serves, Luke and Vader don't really share face to face time in that scene. By that I mean, we see a close up of Anakin for his dialogue, then switch to a close up of Luke, etc so you wouldn't have that ackward look to trying to superimpose an actor into the suit. Maybe I'm crazy but I wouldn't mind seeing this scene redone with Hayden as Anakin in the death scene. The upside is that some of the dialogue could also be changed to match better the events in the PT, especially with reference to Leia. Just a thought. -----signature----- You can come to my party but you can only talk sports in the living room, movies in the kitchen and politics on the patio. If you talk sports on the patio I'll redirect you to the living room or ban you from my party
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Master_Fwiffo Registered: May '01	Date Posted: 1/11/05 11:04am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	There is only one thing I would want changed/added. I wouldn't care WHAT Lucas did to the rest of the trilogy as long as he did this one thing. ROTJ. Death Star II Space Battle. Make it knock my socks off, kick my rear, and drag me across the floor! Remake the entire thing digitally if they have to. I want a LEGION of Stardestroyers fighting an ARMADA of Rebel ships in Glorious non-stop in-your-face-holy-crap-did-you-see-that-space-fighting-INSANNITY! And I think you can all agree with me -----signature----- ------------- Just remember this one constant: Bonecrusher Hates You
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Darth Sin Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 1/11/05 11:53am Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	I am with OT_Fan on his thoughts of potentially changing the unmasked Shaw with Hayden. When they did McDiarmid for ROTJ, they made a younger man look older. I see no reason why you cannot make Hayden look older with the injuries to his face as well. As said, now that you see Hayden's Force ghost, may as well change from Shaw to Hayden. As a matter-of-fact, they even make his Force-ghost appearance look a little older. Darth Sin! -----signature----- "I see you becoming the greatest of all Jedi": Palpatine Lamont: "Martial arts is the oldest form of self defense" Grady: "It ain't older than running" Yoda: The Force is used for knowledge and defense, never for attack
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Mos_Eisley Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 2:37pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Just think of all the fans that were pissed that Tom Bombadil was not in FOTR. And yet, in a feature film perspective, it would have seriously slowed the pacing of the film. This is a bad example since Peter Jackson was adapting books written by J.R.R. Tolkien. LOTR was NOT Peter Jackson's creation. He merely did a great job of adapting it. I think leaving Bombadil out was fine though. George Lucas certainly has the right to alter his creation into obscurity. But he should be prepared for the overwhelming backlash of criticism and ridicule from fans and the people who worked on the original films whose hard work would be urinated on if he altered the films in major ways such as CGing everything, etc. But GL has only made minor changes so far, most of which I feel have enhanced the films. Future changes on the saga box set will also be minor, so I'm not really concerned. -----signature----- "Who's manning the Internet?!" -Stan Smith from American Dad at a Sci-Fi Convention
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Guy-Gone_Weird Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 1/11/05 4:43pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	But GL has only made minor changes so far, most of which I feel have enhanced the films. Future changes on the saga box set will also be minor, so I'm not really concerned. What makes you so sure? Listen to the Audio Commentaries and watch the Empire of Dreams documentary. Notice all of his "I wish I could have..." and "Now with digital technology it would be possible to go back and..." comments. He's getting old. I doubt he'll want to be hindered any longer. Plus the infamous SuperShadow says expect larger changes....so myeah! -----signature----- Oh no my friend! This is a mistake! A terrible mistake! They've gone too far! This is madness!!! - Darth Tyranus Come visit our creative community! (WIP) http://www.creative-blender.com/
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HanSolo29 Title: Fan Art Manager Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 1/11/05 5:26pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	Besides, it's not like the Original versions are all that rare and hard to find. They're not? Lucas only pulled them from store shelves before the SE was released. Our only hope of finding them now is in used video stores and places online like ebay. Hardly a piece of cake if you ask me. This may sound strange but I got to thinking that since Hayden has replaced Sebastion Shaw in the ghost scene, why not replace Shaw in the scene where he takes off his helmet and talks to Luke before he dies. I'm sure technically it could be done. Shave Hayden's head, age him a bit with makeup, add the scars, etc. I think this is a bad idea. Sure, I know continuity is at play here, but it wouldn't look natural. No matter how good the make-up is on Hayden, it will still look strange. Better to actually have an older man play the role instead of trying to age Hayden and throwing him into the scene. He's getting old. I doubt he'll want to be hindered any longer. Exactly. He's getting older. Why would he want to be burdened with the OT for the rest of his life? That's what doesn't make sense. You would think he would want to move onto other things, leaving the OT safely behind him. -----signature----- "One little spark of inspiration is at the heart of all creation." "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13 One of Hammer's Angels Fly casual
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Mos_Eisley Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 6:51pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	What makes you so sure? Listen to the Audio Commentaries and watch the Empire of Dreams documentary. Notice all of his "I wish I could have..." and "Now with digital technology it would be possible to go back and..." comments. He's getting old. I doubt he'll want to be hindered any longer. Because GL has always respected the work of the people who worked on the original films. He consulted with Irvin Kershner on changes to ESB. He consulted with Frank Oz about a digital Yoda. GL could have done way more for the 2004 DVDs but didn't. We'll see some more tweaking for 2007 but don't expect anything drastic. And you're right. GL is getting old which is something he has said himself which is why he isn't making a sequel trilogy and after doing a definitive cut for 2007, he wants to move on with other projects without a Star Wars logo on them. -----signature----- "Who's manning the Internet?!" -Stan Smith from American Dad at a Sci-Fi Convention
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/11/05 7:07pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release - Date Edited: 1/11/05 7:26pm (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTHFINGERZ
	"I personally didn't like the idea of replacing Shaw in the ghost scene but since he did, it seems, to me anyway, that its logical to replace Shaw with Hayden in the death scene too." I kinda feel the same way too.....since it is done though GL may as well go all the way now & just put in an aged Hayden. It really was a short but great performance by Shaw though. If Hayden redoes it & can do justice to it & DO IT RIGHT or (maybe even) better then they should change it. If not - then GL should leave it alone. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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Darth Sin Registered: Oct '99	Date Posted: 1/11/05 7:46pm Subject: RE: DVD changes for 2007 HD release
	1. TPM--Actually show some people on the planet Naboo suffering and dying. We never really got the feel and impact of the blockade on Naboo. 2. TPM--I have always wondered what happened to Maul's Sith Interceptor. Show it being confiscated or something. 3. TPM-Insert Dooku with a short scene with Qui-Gon, and then insert him at Qui-Gon's funeral 4. AOTC--I want to hear about the Lost Twenty. I think this would have had a great impact in terms of what is to come in the rest of the saga. I have more, but I cannot think of them now Darth Sin! -----signature----- "I see you becoming the greatest of all Jedi": Palpatine Lamont: "Martial arts is the oldest form of self defense" Grady: "It ain't older than running" Yoda: The Force is used for knowledge and defense, never for attack
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