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Boba_Fett_2001 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 1/25/05 5:28pm Subject: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I'm sure the majority of us love ROTJ but you know sometimes you hear critics talking about the final films of trilogies being bad and they'll mention ROTJ. Why is this? All I've heard is that it wasn't received well simply because of the Ewoks and that they were too cutesy for the audience. Yes, they were directed more towards the younger audience but it seems like that's the ONLY thing the reviewers based their entire opinions on. One thing bugs them, the whole movie is no good. Something ain't right here. -----signature----- Everyone is entitled to my opinion. Go Toronto sports teams! All Hail Cliegg's Blue Leg!
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JediMaxine Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:13pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I have no idea why. I looked it up in my movie guide and it has 5 stars. Personally it is my favorite Star Wars movie. Even critics are entitled to their own opinions. Just my 2 cents!
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deckyrd Registered: Sep '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:17pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I'll take a tribe of Ewoks over a legion of Gungans any day of the week. Ewoks have the record to back it up (Ewoks: 1 Gungans: 0). I don't think ROTJ was a bad movie, but like so many other film-legacies nothing is considered equal to the first and while Star Wars certainly broke the mold by having an even better sequel than the first (something not even Indiana Jones could do (in fact, the only sequel in history to surpass the original in overall quality is The Godfather II)), I think many people went into it with low expectations coupled with an "I've seen this before" attitude. Put those two together and critics (and some audience members) aren't going to be impressed or rant and rave about how great it is. -----signature----- Quit knocking EU. Without EU, we wouldn't have known the term Sith or the name Palpatine until 1999. GL: The first and only man in history to actually use PhillipsVision http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-09-22
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HanSolo29 Title: Fan Art Manager Registered: Apr '01	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:19pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	All I've heard is that it wasn't received well simply because of the Ewoks and that they were too cutesy for the audience. Yes, they were directed more towards the younger audience but it seems like that's the ONLY thing the reviewers based their entire opinions on. One thing bugs them, the whole movie is no good. I think you hit the nail on the head there. Other than that, there's not much else except the complaints about story ideas being rehashed and loose ends being tied up too quickly. Personally, I don't see any of this and I love ROTJ. It's a very close second to my favorite, ESB. -----signature----- "One little spark of inspiration is at the heart of all creation." "Everyone who calls on the name of the Lord will be saved." Romans 10:13 One of Hammer's Angels Fly casual
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Ididitall4thewookie Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:26pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	The entire second half of the movie is a climactic battle, half of THAT of which is mostly chases and dogfights. If you dont like ROTJ, you simply nuts. -----signature----- I got the pistol, so I'll keep the pesos, yeah that seems fair. - El Banditos
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AdamBertocci Title: Manager: Fan Films Registered: Feb '02	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:32pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Ewoks are probably a big source of the criticism. I personally think ROTJ's big failings, though, are in its visuals. I find its cinematography flatter and vastly inferior to the other entries in the saga. Rick McCallum loves you! -----signature----- "Run Leia Run", "The Chopped-Off Hands of Star Wars" and "The Fan Film Menace"... ... and now the award-winning "Brooklyn Force". Check 'em out. http://www.runleiarun.com
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Han_Solo_Rocks Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:47pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Of all the films I thought ROTJ was the best. The only thing I miss was Vader dying. I thought it would have been good if he was alive to make restitution for all the bad he had done.
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Chaotic_Serenity Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 6:53pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I think the plot progression is a bit weak in the beginning, the Tatooine sequences dragging a bit before things start to pick up better afterwards. There's also the stylistic differences. Every other movie has strong, contrasting visuals to represent scene changes/emotion/etc., AOTC probably being the most emphatic out of the bunch regarding this, but ROTJ, over all, is extremely muted in terms of color. Don't get me wrong...strong visual imagery does exist. The first half of the movie is brighter, a little more "fun," whereas the darker shades in the latter half reflect the seriousness of what's going on. (The throne room is the best use of shadows I've seen out of all the films.) But, over all, it just doesn't have the same effect as the others. Lastly...for me, the ages of the actors are starting to show. It's, what, nine years from when the first movie started filming? Nobody in that cast is looking as young as they're supposed to be, with the exception of Harrison Ford. I have to really stretch my imagination to think of Mark Hamill as physically 23 years old. This is not to say that ROTJ is a bad film. I don't think it is. Out of all of the movies (excluding ROTS possibly), it has the best intense emotional interplay between the characters. I still love watching it, even if it is at the bottom of my favorites list. -----signature----- Part of the Darth Vader Fanclub. Because good is dumb. The ability to bash a movie does not make one intelligent. Sith for '08: Why vote for a less oppressive regime?
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StarSmuggler Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 8:14pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I love ROTJ. I also think the ewoks are great- what is wrong with them being cute? Did the Gungans not being cute make them good characters? IMO, no. I don't see how an ewok could get on someone's nerves more than a gungan. -----signature----- "No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be. -Bram Stoker"
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--Skywalker-- Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 8:30pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? not in my book. -----signature----- "What have I done?" "You're fulfilling Your destiny, Anakin"
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mjerome3 Registered: May '00	Date Posted: 1/25/05 10:34pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Return of the Jedi is personally my favorite movie in the entire Star Wars saga. I'm not sure why ROTJ is not well liked by some people. All I can say is that the critics opinions, and that's all it is, doesn't matter. All that matters is what the SW fans think. And that matters above all else. -----signature----- May the Force be with you- Luke Skywalker May the Force be with you- Han Solo May the Force be with you- Qui-Gon Jinn May the Force be with you- Anakin Skywalker The Force will be with you...always- Obi-Wan Kenobi
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Leias_love_slave Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 1/25/05 10:47pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Get serious. How could any movie with Princess Leia in a bikini possibly be 'bad'? -----signature----- "I was Leia's slave-boy." blushes
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 11:07pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I rate ROTJ the least of the OT films, but it's still a good movie. It just wasn't particularly fresh, outside of the end space battle. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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TIEPilot051999 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 1/25/05 11:09pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	All I've heard is that it wasn't received well simply because of the Ewoks and that they were too cutesy for the audience. Yes, they were directed more towards the younger audience but it seems like that's the ONLY thing the reviewers based their entire opinions on. One thing bugs them, the whole movie is no good. And I have to agree with everyone else. "Jedi" gets a bad rap cause of the Ewoks and how they were able to take out a large Imperial force. Thankfully, good old GL manages to explain things by saying that the Ewoks were never attacking the Imperials. They were distracting them, which goes a long way towards making the scene more believeable. (Now if only he could explain why the Imps were stupid to chase after the Ewoks when they had the Rebels to deal with. You only ever see a dozen or so actually making an attempt to kill Han and co.) And the space battle is THE. BEST. STAR. WARS. BATTLE EVAH! Period. Finito. End of discussion. (At least until May, of course. But even then, it'll still be close.) -----signature----- Devi is my Padme Angel All Hail Megatron! The Tenth Doctor In Sleepy Tower - Third Place Winner
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StarSmuggler Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 1/25/05 11:11pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I think that ROTj will always have the best space battle. -----signature----- "No man knows till he has suffered from the night how sweet and dear to his heart and eye the morning can be. -Bram Stoker"
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TIEPilot051999 Registered: Mar '02	Date Posted: 1/25/05 11:46pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I think that ROTj will always have the best space battle. Even after 05/19/05? -----signature----- Devi is my Padme Angel All Hail Megatron! The Tenth Doctor In Sleepy Tower - Third Place Winner
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