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zombie Registered: Aug '99	Date Posted: 4/6/07 10:50am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I completely agree. The photography is horrible. Its very flat and high key, and theres very little highlights. The only scene i thought was particularly well shot was the stuff in the Death Star landing bay, but thats more to do with the way the set was designed than anything else. I think this all has to do with the fact that on ESB Kershner spent a lot of time getting the camera and lighting right--theres tons of dolly shots and choreographed angles as well in that film, in addition to absolutely brilliant lighting--whereas in ROTJ they were just trying to shoot the film as fast as possible, much like Raiders of the Lost Ark: Hamill referred to it once as "smash and go technique." So rather than shaping the light to be expressive and dramatic they just threw up high powered fixtures and illuminated the scene so that they could shoot it and move on--which explains the blandness and flatness of the picture. Some of the Jabba's palace stuff has some interesting lighting effects but they are still pretty dull compared to any other film of this calibre. The 2004 DVD tried to bring out the best in the image by jacking up the contrast and get more of a 3D image, and it certainly helps, but theres only so much you can do. -----signature----- The Secret History of Star Wars -- now available in print http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com
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Wilderness_Comedian Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 4/6/07 5:50pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	How can the photography be horrible? Jedi has the most action out of the three movies. That's not easy to do. -----signature----- "There are alternatives to fighting."
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SWSWSW Registered: Apr '07	Date Posted: 4/7/07 8:40pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	There is a simple answer to this, it has great moments, but not all the way through, and that is the difference between a great movie, which is great all the way through. Same with the PT movies, they have great moments, but also have bad moments, so that keeps them being great movies too. IMO
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DarthDiabolous Registered: Sep '06	Date Posted: 4/9/07 8:24pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	i agree with what some of you have previously stated... rotj should have been part 2 of esb... -----signature----- Producer/Actor/Screenwriter for... Zarrangelo Flix http://www.freewebs.com/zarrangeloflix/ The Third Coming(Post Production)
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Master_Jedi80 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 4/10/07 7:44am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	I think ROTJ is great. it is my favorite of the Saga. I love the Sarlac Battle (we actually get to see some one using a lightsaber in battle) The final space battle (this was fascinating) the speeder bike chase (at the time, this was an amazing amazing work of visual effect. I dont understand those who dont give the camera work credit for this film) the throne room scenes (i can not look away) and the i loved the ewoks as a kid, and I have always liked them. I dont think they are to cute or whatever, to me, they were a tribe of warriors... would i like them to be more adult-- obviously, id love more blood and destruction and evil and darkness. but these movies are for kids and adults, so this never bothered me anyways, ROTJ is great- I can listen to reasons why it is second fiddle to empire or the original star wars, but to call it a bad movie-- is just an opinion i can not agree with...
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DarthDiabolous Registered: Sep '06	Date Posted: 4/10/07 8:53pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	i agree... it clearly isnt a bad movie... it just wasnt delivered as good as esb or rots, etc... its my third favorite star wars movie, and my third favorite movie of all time... the things wrong with it are: the jabba scene is way too long, and the singing part is pointless and very boring, the sarlacc fight is to unrealistic(you have the best bounty hunter in the galaxy clumbsily fall into the pit, without even giving a fight, out of all of the people on the barge, only about 6 or 7 manage to try to defend themselves... how does lea choke a hutt, who is much larger and assumably stronger?)... the ewoks werent as bad as everybody thinks... yeah i agree that they are childish, but they show how you can be up against great odds, but determination will always come out victorious... and the second death star was way too repetitive and unoriginal... and it was way too easy for the falcon...(how does a tie fighter crash inside the death star but a huge freighter doesnt?)but other than those few problems, this movie is perfect despite its lack of modern effects... -----signature----- Producer/Actor/Screenwriter for... Zarrangelo Flix http://www.freewebs.com/zarrangeloflix/ The Third Coming(Post Production)
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Boba_Fett_2001 Registered: Dec '00	Date Posted: 6/18/07 7:35pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 6/18/07 7:35pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Boba_Fett_2001
	Darth_Sprocket posted: <<I'm sure the majority of us love ROTJ but you know sometimes you hear critics talking about the final films of trilogies being bad and they'll mention ROTJ. Why is this? All I've heard is that it wasn't received well simply because of the Ewoks and that they were too cutesy for the audience. Yes, they were directed more towards the younger audience but it seems like that's the ONLY thing the reviewers based their entire opinions on. One thing bugs them, the whole movie is no good. Something ain't right here.>> It's the same thing with Jar Jar in TPM. Many people hated JJ, and, therefore, the whole movie is supposed to be bad. I really enjoyed TPM, Jar Jar notwithstanding. I put ROTJ right up there at the top of the saga, along with ROTS. Well, Jar Jar is there throughout most of the film whereas the Ewoks don't come in until the second half of ROTJ. If you don't like one of the main characters then it's kind of understandable. -----signature----- Everyone is entitled to my opinion. Go Toronto sports teams! All Hail Cliegg's Blue Leg!
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Jamiebacca Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 6/19/07 8:54am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 6/19/07 9:11am (1 edits total) Edited By: DarthButt
	Butt Edit: Yeah, and I will take a broad brush and say that was too much about the fans. Discuss the films, not them. Cuz, y'know, we love it n' stuff! -----signature----- Does action figure?!!!!!!!!!!!
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citizenchris099 Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 6/19/07 4:24pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	My two cents on ROTJ are as follows; it is competent film in its own right but ultimately when viewed in context with the films it is supposed to augment it is a deeply flawed film. From a dramatic stand point I find it the most unsatisfying. TESB set up this wonderful love story between Han and Leia that is almost completely ignored save some silly misunderstanding by Han over the nature of Luke and Leia’s relationship. The way Luke’s character leapfrogs from whiney brat to stoic master is a bit jarring as well. And to top it all off one of cinemas biggest cliffhangers is resolved how….a polite conversation with a jedi ghost. I would have to agree with NZPoe in regards to the visuals in ROTJ being inferior to TESB (or any other film in the series for that matter) The look of the film is bland to say the least. The performances are nearly all phoned in save the always remarkable Ian McDiarmid, whose performance alone is just about worth the price of admission. Leia in the gold bikini is also pretty hot! In scanning through the so-called defense of this film on this thread I see a lot fluff like “dude I like it” or “the space battles rock” ect…. But I have yet to see one of you actually state what it is about the film that makes it superior or at the very least up to par with its predecessors (or even the subsequent films in the series)
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Cellist Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 6/19/07 5:01pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Wilderness_Comedian posted: How can the photography be horrible? Jedi has the most action out of the three movies. That's not easy to do. o.O The amount of action in the movie has nothing to do with how well the film was shot...o.O -----signature----- "Baron Of Not Catching On" of the JCC Shiny Council http://www.getphpbb.com/phpbb/index.php?mforum=shinycouncil Sir Cellulitis of Lardipuss of the Knights of the Round Espy I believe in mermaids
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BaronLandoCalrissian Registered: Jun '06	Date Posted: 6/19/07 5:21pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	Jedi might be the first and last time a summer sequel revolved around the hero NOT fighting (the whole groomed-for-patricide thing is a little unusual too). Better cinematography and a believable, visually striking Endor battle would be nice, (and may yet happen in the 2013 special mega Green-Ray edition) but that's gravy. Luke's story works for me so I say Jedi's got it where it counts, kid.
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Anapad_Nabooine Registered: Jun '05	Date Posted: 6/24/07 8:56pm Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 6/24/07 9:02pm (2 edits total) Edited By: Anapad_Nabooine
	I completely disagree with those who think ROTJ was a bad movie. My opinion? I love that movie! The battle at the Sarlaac pit. Luke more mature and stronger in the Force. Jabba and Company. Leia's slave outfit. The speeder bike chase. The Ewok comedy. Lando and Nien Numb at the helm of the Millenium Falcon and the down to the wire escape from the flames of Death Star 2. The showdown between Luke and the Emperor; and Luke and Vader. Vader saving his son: the actual 'return of the Jedi' being the return of Anakin Skywalker. And I like the new extended celebration scene at the end but the Ewok jam session was special to me back in the day. I could go on and on. What is not to love here? I don't have a detailed defense for why I think this episode is just as good as the much lauded TESB or any other. I watched it and liked it. That's all. I enjoy each film of the saga, but 'Jedi' is the heart and climax of it all and for me it delivers in spades. -----signature----- "There is no other way....He was meant to help you. " ~ Shmi "Do not be disturbed by the clamor of the world that passes like a shadow. " ~ Saint Claire Padmé Amidala http://boards.theforce.net/star_wars_community/b10012/20635672/p1
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dude4c Registered: Dec '03	Date Posted: 6/25/07 7:55am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	ROTJ seems slapped together and rushed. it's the worst out of the OT. the sail bardge scene had so much potential. there should be more saber action there/ show saber damage. would it kill luke to throw a force push. boba fett death is weak. i would love to see most of the muppet show on the barge CGed. i hate the way the rancor yells out in pain as luke beats him with a pebble. shouldn't luke use the force to throw something larger at this creature? anyway, it isn't all bad but there is room for improvement. -----signature----- If there's one thing I can't stand, that's Americans fighting Americans: Dan Akroyd 1941
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Jamiebacca Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 6/25/07 9:59am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie?
	What I meant to say earlier is this... I don't think any of us Star Wars fans consider it a bad movie. The weakest of the OT? For some, yes, for some, no. But bad??? Maybe the typical person-who-doesn't-love-Star-Wars-like-we-do would consider it bad, but I don't think one of those folks post messages on a Star Wars fan board. We can speculate, but I think this type question is best answered by a non-fan. -----signature----- Does action figure?!!!!!!!!!!!
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Zak-Zahar Registered: Jun '07	Date Posted: 6/25/07 11:44am Subject: RE: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? - Date Edited: 6/25/07 11:47am (2 edits total) Edited By: Zak-Zahar
	--Skywalker-- posted: Why Is ROTJ Considered A Bad Movie? not in my book. You said it, my friend. Now, I know of one specific criticism of over-zealous fans who read earlier scripts of ROTJ and thought it was lame to have Ewoks instead of Wookies in the movie. THAT is where the entire "Ewoks suck" argument comes from. Personally, I think it's great to see the little primitive fur balls take on the Empire and WIN. This is SO cool. -----signature----- May the Force be with you. Always.
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