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Darth_Ravager Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 2/4/05 10:02am Subject: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	If there is an existing thread on this, please re-direct (my research didn't turn up anything). Having witnessed the excellent strategy Sidious displays to grab power, it makes some of the strategic errors of the Imperial forces in the OT seem to glare. Didn't Sids teach these guys anything? (Of course, if he did, we wouldn't have much of a movie, would we?) Specifically: 1) Why didn't the Death Star in ANH have a Star Destroyer contingent that could have launched a counter-attack against the rebel base on the Yavin moon? 2) For that matter, why didn't the DS just blast the gas giant planet, reload, and blast the moon with the rebel base? 3) Why didn't the ground assault on Hoth have air support that, at the very least, could have destroyed the transports before they left the atmosphere? 4) Why did the "back door" to the ROTJ shield generator only have 4 bloody guards? That thing was protecting the Emperor for crying out loud. The Imps deserve to lose based on sheer stupidity. Your thoughts? -----signature----- "On my signal, unleash Hell." [=====\|:°\|\|\|{-----------------------------------------------
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theBluePhoenix Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/4/05 10:31am Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	The answer to ALL your questions: Overconfidence. -----signature----- - Move like you have a purpose. - The future is not set. There is no fate but what we make for ourselves. - Quote of the year: "TPM and AOTC were never bad films. People just mistook them for bad films."
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Jedi_Master_Ryokono Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 2/4/05 11:14am Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	I agree when it comes to the backdoor drive on the moon of Endor, but in the case of destroying Yavin's gas giant, the reason may be for their own protection. Think about it: you're in a battle station relative to the size of a small moon (I'd say about the size of OUR moon) and moving into orbit of a rather large gas giant to clear the side and destroy one of its moons. If they unloaded on the gas giant itself, the explosion would be much larger, require much more firepower (since the beam would have to be much more powerful to nail the core of a gas giant), and also the gravitational flux that would happen if they blew up the center of an orbital system would be crazy. The DS would go flying off like Vader's TIE did, only probably on fire or something. When it comes right down to it, I'd say it was similar to why Navicomputers are essential for safe hyperspace travel... One miscalculation in trajectory and gravity isolation, and you'd end up flying through a sun or something. Maybe I just am thinking too much... -----signature----- She was alone and still, gazing out to sea; and when she felt his presence and the worship of his eyes her eyes turned to him in quiet sufferance of his gaze, without shame or wantonness.
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StormtrooperJay Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 2/4/05 12:00pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	Here's what I think: 1) Why didn't the Death Star in ANH have a Star Destroyer contingent that could have launched a counter-attack against the rebel base on the Yavin moon? As General Tarkin alluded to, they didn't think anything could get through their defenses, much less a Force-laden farmboy from a desert planet. 2) For that matter, why didn't the DS just blast the gas giant planet, reload, and blast the moon with the rebel base? My thought on this one, is that they were going to conquer the planet/moon. Kinda take over the base and use it as an outpost. 3) Why didn't the ground assault on Hoth have air support that, at the very least, could have destroyed the transports before they left the atmosphere? Since TESB is still my fave of the saga, and me being an Imperialist-I concur. There should have been some cover for them. HOWEVER, they sent down AT-ATs. Its through the mind-set(sp?) of GL that Luke figures out the use of tow cables. I mean come on, tow cables on the back of a snowspeeder? For what exactly? Use the ship to move ice boulders around? 4) Why did the "back door" to the ROTJ shield generator only have 4 bloody guards? That thing was protecting the Emperor for crying out loud. With the rest of the troops on the ground and an AT-AT on patrol, they had no idea that a small Rebel Scum taskforce could do what they did. As theBluePhoenix states it is overtly overconfidence for sure. But then too, the Emperor foresaw all of these things, so maybe he let them happen...from a certain point of view... -----signature----- Learn to know the Darkside of the Force and you achieve a power greater than any Jedi. Every single Jedi is now an enemy of the Republic. Do what must be done. April 21, 2005- Celebration III DOWN May 19, 2005- Episode III Revenge of the Sith TO GO =
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Darth_Ravager Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 2/4/05 12:12pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	Some good points have been made, particularly concerning the uber-explosion from the gas giant and gravity distortion. I don't think the Empire had much to be over-confident about. The opening crawl indicated that the Rebels just scored their first victory, not to mention spies stole plans for the bloody death star. At what point does the Empire realize they are dealing with some crafty devils? Besides, aren't militaries supposed to have to continually change tactics when confronting guerilla warfare? Are there any other glaring strategic failures? I'm trying to learn from the Empire's mistakes so that when I am running the galaxy I don't have to worry about a snot nosed rocket jockey nuking my death crib. -----signature----- "On my signal, unleash Hell." [=====\|:°\|\|\|{-----------------------------------------------
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DarthBoba Registered: Jun '00	Date Posted: 2/4/05 1:21pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	Nah, we haven't changed tactics that much in Afghanistan. But anyhow, my favorite example of Imperial military incompetence is the size of the Death Squadron. There is alot of firepower there, what with six ISDs and Executor. But seven vessels isn't alot to blockade a system. Note the Trade Federation seems to consider several hundred battleships sufficient to blockade one planet in TPM. And the Empire expects to be able to cover an entire system with seven ships? Right. -----signature----- Only a Prime can defeat Vader and his Emperor.
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Lightsabre Title: Fan Force Founder Registered: Nov '99	Date Posted: 2/4/05 1:55pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	Not so much strategical error, but running into another Star Destroyer during the Endor battle. How hard can it be to miss another SD? Sheesh! -----signature----- Welcome to FanForce!
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DS615 Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 2/4/05 2:07pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	That was durring Hoth, not Endor. -----signature----- "I was killing your kind back when being a Jedi meant something." - Jabba the Hutt
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Mr_Burns Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/4/05 2:42pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	The shield generator only had four guards because "It's a trap!" -----signature----- Fearlessly strolling the aisles of the supermarket of destiny with the coupons of opportunity and the cart of righteous determination.
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NorCalBirdz Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 2/4/05 4:23pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	The Death Star I Superlaser took over an hour to recharge. They had to go around the planet. (But that's EU) -----signature----- Wouldn't It Be Nice?
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Count_Solidus Registered: Dec '04	Date Posted: 2/4/05 4:46pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	The Galactic Civil War...period. -----signature----- I rule the Empire now. Not some longdead Emperor; certainly not you. The only treason is defiance of my orders -Thrawn This one is constantly thinking, analyzing, strategizing. He showed no fear, but was curious, studying me in turn.
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BaronFel88 Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 2/4/05 6:31pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	The shield generator only had four guards because "It's a trap!" I was thinking about that, but I think Palpatine expected the strike team to go through the front, because that's where his best defenses were. If the strike team and Ewok army were subjected to AT-ATs, they'd be toast. And before they sieged the back door, Han and Leia were perfectly willing to go through the front. -----signature----- "Oh the pain" "What a disgrace" -Joe Benigno
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Jedi_Meb Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 2/4/05 9:53pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	Personally, I think some of the tiniest errors that had the empire thinking they were in complete control during the major Rebel attacks. The most glaring error is that if the Executor had detained the Tiberium before it landed on Endor, the whole shield generator attack would've failed. Admiral Piett was too obedient lol. Also, why wasn't the tractor beam able to work on the falcon after it left cloud city when it flew like right next to the Executor? Despite his forseeing of the Rebel attacks, Palpatine seriously underestimated the fleet. He assumed they were all dead even though the space battle was definitely not over yet. Although, I assume that was in order to make luke angry/sad to make him turn to the dark side. On a side note, I believe that the Death Star I's superlaser needed a day to recharge after killing a planet, while the DSII's laser to destroy capital ships took a few minutes to charge... -----signature----- "Always a pleasure to meet a Jedi." -Jango Fett, AOTC "Try not. Do, or do not. There is no try." -Yoda, ESB "When I left, I was but the learner. Now I am the Master." Darth Vader, ANH "We decided to come rescue you." "Good job." -Anakin+Obi-Wan, AOTC
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Darth_KindaEvilGuy Registered: Oct '01	Date Posted: 2/4/05 10:28pm Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces
	3) Why didn't the ground assault on Hoth have air support that, at the very least, could have destroyed the transports before they left the atmosphere? Something to do with the energy shield. Notice that the shield generator had to be destroyed before Vader could start his landing. 4) Why did the "back door" to the ROTJ shield generator only have 4 bloody guards? That thing was protecting the Emperor for crying out loud. As someone mentioned, it was a trap. C'mon, Palpy had an entire legion of his best troops waiting for them. -----signature----- "The words I thought I brought I left behind - Never mind."
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Mr_Burns Registered: Jan '01	Date Posted: 2/5/05 2:24am Subject: RE: Strategic Blunders of the Imperial Forces - Date Edited: 2/5/05 2:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: Mr_Burns
	I was thinking about that, but I think Palpatine expected the strike team to go through the front, because that's where his best defenses were. If the strike team and Ewok army were subjected to AT-ATs, they'd be toast. Perhaps Palpatine was attempting to lure them around the back by putting a big show of force out the front. It's much better for the Empire to capture them all quietly, and avoid any chance of the Rebel fleet being tipped off by a Rebel fleeing a ground battle (yeah, unlikely given the jamming, the shield, and the thousands of Imperial ships and millions of troops, but always possible). The lone stormtrooper at the bunker entrance falling for the ol' tap-on-the-shoulder trick was certainly a strategic blunder. And before they sieged the back door, Han and Leia were perfectly willing to go through the front. Then that would have been a strategic blunder of the Rebel Forces -----signature----- Fearlessly strolling the aisles of the supermarket of destiny with the coupons of opportunity and the cart of righteous determination.
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BATTLELION Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 2/6/05 9:03pm Subject: Some possibilities
	Here are some reasons why the Deat Star didn't destroy Yavin IV: 1. Good guys have to win. 2. It would have been a terrible story if all the rebels died. 3. If the Death Star blew up Yavin, Luke would have been in deep trouble. 4. If Yavin blew up, it would have ended Lucas' franchise. 5. The fans would have hanged Lucas. 6. Critics everywhere would have nominated it for every award ever because their taste is opposite to every one elses. 7. Leia would never have strangled Jabba. 8. Han would be RIIIIIIIIIIIIIIICH!!!!!!! 9. We'd have Tarkin in Episode V. 10. General Dodonna would have seen it coming. 11. Vader would have been right... 12. Lucasfilm would file for bancrupcy in 1978. 13. The Emperor would finally receive some GOOD news. 14. Y-WINGS ARE TOO COOL!!! Yep, that's definitely EXACTLY what would have happened. -----signature----- "Luke, at that speed will we be able to pull out in time?"
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