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NeoBaggins Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/29/05 9:25pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	The Originals are better, obviously. They would be perfect with the digital restoration minus the alterations. The film is an older classic film. I can watch it from begining to end knowing that. Having spots of CGI here and there makes it a tacky mess. If your going to do that you may as well do the entire movie over. Why are things "fixed" in one place but not another? Its dumb really. One minute Lukes saber resembles the same level of digital clarity and color as the PT sabers, ( even though its the WRONG color at one point ) then its glowing white again and drawn in with highlight markers. All or nothin baby. If your not going to fix it like you say, leave it alone. Dont claim "cosmetic changes" to justify butchering dialog and replacing actors voices and actors all together. If redoing the films were because the technology had advanced, there should be nothing thats still unadvanced about the FX. Id take a full FX redo over the mucking with the feel and story any day. And providing both versions would be a little honorable too. The redone Trilogy is a Mutt. -----signature----- You hear that? That's the sound of inevitability. You hear that? That's the A train. You hear that? That's the sound of a thousand terrible things heading this way.
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The_Flargg Registered: Jun '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 9:43pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I prefer the redone version, especially on DVD. I did not feel the need to but the SE on VHS when they came out, because the changes were relatively minor. HOwever, with the huge leap in quality in the DVD editions, they were a must buy. I like all of the changes, except for the singing thing in ROTJ, but whatever. Yes, that means I like having Hayden Christensen in the end of ROTJ, too! -----signature----- "If yousa strike meesa down, meesa gonna become more annoying than you could possibly be imaginin'!" - Jar-Jar --The real reason for Anakin's turn to the Dark Side.
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 3/29/05 10:09pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	NeoBaggins is my hero. He just saved me a rant. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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NeoBaggins Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/29/05 10:19pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Glad I could be of service. -----signature----- You hear that? That's the sound of inevitability. You hear that? That's the A train. You hear that? That's the sound of a thousand terrible things heading this way.
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DarthPink Registered: Feb '05	Date Posted: 3/29/05 10:37pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	The changes to a ROTJ and TESB don't really bother me. The one change to TESB that bother's me is when Vader and the Emperor are talking, after the Imperials wipe out the Hoth base and Vader's chasing the Melinium Falcon. I really don't see a reason to change the Emperor's head and his dialogue. Spoiled the scene for me. The changes to ANH are terrible. Improving the Death Star battle over Yavin was cool. But there is no reason to add Jabba talking to Han and Guido shooting first. It added nothing to the film, and put in a useless scene that didn't match well with the imovable Jabba in ROTJ (maybe there was a good reason GL cut the scene from the 1977 release), and added a shot that took away some of the fierceness from Han and the environment at Mos Eisley. I can live with the changes, but ideally I'd like a DVD set of the original trilogy, with some cleaning up of the blue screen lines. I think that'd be fair to the consumer.
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Lukecash Registered: Jun '01	Date Posted: 3/30/05 2:17am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Neobaggins wrote The Originals are better, obviously. They would be perfect with the digital restoration minus the alterations. The film is an older classic film. That is hugely debatable statment. I for one believe that ROTJ was much better than the orginal release. The Sarlac pit is now a THREAT instead of a rubber hole in the ground. The Ending song of the ewoks is far superiour than the Nub, Nub garbage. While I would prefer to have an copy of the original series....I think that Lucas saved SW from becoming VERY dated with its special effects. -----signature----- Boss Nass and Captian Tarpalis were brave, compentent warriors.- my words that will alway haunt me. You were right about one thing master, the negotiations were short"- ob-wani To expect Star Wars to be anything but itself is courting doom-me being wise
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DARTHFINGERZ Registered: Nov '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 2:35am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I prefer the latest DVD versions. I must have watched them a billion times already. I grew up watching the OT.....I seen ROTJ in the theater when I was about 5 or 6. So I do have a love and respect for the films as they were. But when it comes time to watch SW...I go for the new DVD's. For the purists sake though GL should have put the OT onto DVD as a bonus I feel. We know a 3D SW is coming......but imagine if that rumored SE box set really comes out in 2007? Yeah baby. -----signature----- You just watch yourself. I'm a wanted man... I have the DEATH SENTENCE on twelve SW messageboards.
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NeoBaggins Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/30/05 2:55am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	"That is hugely debatable statment. I for one believe that ROTJ was much better than the orginal release. The Sarlac pit is now a THREAT instead of a rubber hole in the ground. The Ending song of the ewoks is far superiour than the Nub, Nub garbage." That rubber hole in the ground represents where special effects were at that time. At that time special effects were revolutionized and are a stepping stone to what they are today. It is sad to see the lack of understanding and respect to these elements. "While I would prefer to have an copy of the original series....I think that Lucas saved SW from becoming VERY dated with its special effects." Saved? Please. Anything made within the relm of art must face becoming "dated" in regards to the methods and style in which it is built. No one that saw STAR WARS from day one will lose love of the films because FX technology has advance. If that was the case it would mean that Georges story and STAR WARS in general is nothing and only for the shallow. Just because Lucas went back and redid things to the films, people speak as if it is a common practice. By that logic history is missed and nothing can be classic. The sad part about it is the Lucas himself claims to support the preservation of films in their original context so that his kids can veiw them as they were. I guess that only goes for his family. When the prequels are exceeded by the further advancement of FX technology and will not be made into SEs... will they also be dated? -----signature----- You hear that? That's the sound of inevitability. You hear that? That's the A train. You hear that? That's the sound of a thousand terrible things heading this way.
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opiebreakout Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 3:05am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Whoa...calm down man. You'll give yourself an ulcure.
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calidevilguy Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 5:06am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	NeoBaggins: I'd prefer to have the Star Wars movies look as good as possible rather then being a momument to what effectrs were like 20 years ago. I don't see the point in keeping something infureur (like my spelling) just because thats it was originally done.
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Spleeny-Doo-Koo Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 5:33am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/30/05 5:34am (1 edits total) Edited By: Spleeny-Doo-Koo
	... Like the new versions personally ... And they are George Lucas "definitive vision" (well to date at least !) ... LOVE the added Sandtroopers / Mos Eisley / Jabba (ANH) ... New Palpatine & Cloud City re-touches (ESB) ... Max Rebo Band / Skirmish at Carkoon (ROTJ) ... ALL great reasons for the re-working of the original trilogy - BUT PLEASE next time get rid of the "force slug" moving around on Palpatine's hood during the Throne Room Scenes in ROTJ ... PLEASE
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Sanctuary_Moon Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 7:34am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I'd prefer to have the Star Wars movies look as good as possible rather then being a monument to what effects were like 20 years ago By that argument the changes to the films will never stop, becuase technology will surely never stop advancing. How can this be a good thing? When will we have a "definitive" version? Also, are you advocating that the work of all the FX artists who worked on the originals be slowly eradicated from the movies just because technology has moved on? Why is there no respect for their contribution? -----signature----- "There will only be one (Special Edition).....it'll be the final cut. The other one will be some sort of interesting artefact that people will look at and say, 'There was an earlier draft of this'." – George Lucas, February 1997
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Chaotic_Serenity Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 8:02am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/30/05 8:03am (1 edits total) Edited By: Chaotic_Serenity
	Because that's simply how he feels. Claiming something is "indisputable" or "obvious" over an issue that's utterly opinion-based is ridiculous. Some people will love the new movies, others will prefer the originals. We can argue ethics and immemorial values all we like, but it's simply going to come down to what the person prefers for their self. That's why I always go "Oh no..." when I see topics like this. It usually deteriorates into "I'm right" "No, I'm right!" debate at its foundational core. -----signature----- Part of the Darth Vader Fanclub. Because good is dumb. The ability to bash a movie does not make one intelligent. Sith for '08: Why vote for a less oppressive regime?
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Sanctuary_Moon Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 8:11am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Well, I find it sad that where Lucas was once a pioneer in the art of film-making, he is now becoming more renowned for his film-tinkering. Every review I saw of the DVDs (I don't own them) made mention of the further changes to the trilogy and of the fans' curiosity about what Lucas had altered this time. This is what SW has become now; a constantly changing entity that its creator will never be happy with. Lucas can never finish what he has begun. -----signature----- "There will only be one (Special Edition).....it'll be the final cut. The other one will be some sort of interesting artefact that people will look at and say, 'There was an earlier draft of this'." – George Lucas, February 1997
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DARTHMORDOR Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 3/30/05 8:50am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/30/05 8:50am (1 edits total) Edited By: DARTHMORDOR
	the reason for the debate is the fact that lucas wants to pretend the originals no longer exist. I can agree the new effects, etc are great and adds a new life to the films we all know and love. I love the better sound and picture quality. i don't mind a lot of the cgi changes. what I do mind and heres the problem, is that I will never have the originals on dvd. as a film student and just a lover of movies and their history and my own nostalga, we deserve both versions. just for film history sake. he is the artist and the owner, he can do as he wishes. its not a question of which is better. not even which you prefer it why not have both? it's not like I lose sleep over it I have them on video. but I would love to watch them in 5.1 -----signature----- so lonestar you see that evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb! kneel before zod...er I mean valorum
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