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Freddy-Krueger Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 9:09am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/30/05 9:12am (1 edits total) Edited By: Freddy-Krueger
	I really don't see a reason to change the Emperor's head and his dialogue. ...Ummm they changed the Emperor's head for a pretty good reason considering the fact that Ian McDiarmid had played Palpatine in every film EXCEPT ESB. It was purely for continuity reasons. And it works, IMO. As for the dialogue, it didn't change anything. It just heightens the fact that Vader is trying to get Luke to turn without the Emperor knowing of it. One minute Lukes saber resembles the same level of digital clarity and color as the PT sabers, ( even though its the WRONG color at one point ) then its glowing white again and drawn in with highlight markers. Blame Lowry Digital and their cleaning the film up, not George Lucas. -----signature----- "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have our revenge!"
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Bacon164 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 9:10am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/30/05 9:10am (1 edits total) Edited By: Bacon164
	I've never seen the originals, so I wouldn't know. -----signature----- Like a falling leaf to the bottom of the sea there she goes there she goes. My mentor Andalite_Bandit taught me this but it is too long to quote here so I can't tell you.
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calidevilguy Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 9:14am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Sanctuary_Moon: We'll have the "final" verison when GL no longer wants to make changes. And its not that there is no respect for those made the first movies, without them the progress in effects couldn't have happened. Just making the movies that were always based on effects have the best effects possible.
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DARTHMORDOR Registered: Jun '03	Date Posted: 3/30/05 9:24am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	understood but why deny the work that was done before? a lot of hard work went into making those models and creating a new tecnology to shot them. to just go and erase it as if it never existed is just plain wrong. I agree that he wants to keep them cutting edge. but the originals should not be lost. -----signature----- so lonestar you see that evil will always triumph over good, because good is dumb! kneel before zod...er I mean valorum
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calidevilguy Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 9:49am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	If a fan wants to keep a copy of hte originals, thats fine, its not like GL is going to collect all the old ones. But that shouldn't stop him from updating the films.
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jangoisadrunk Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 11:05am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	I just want to mention one SE change in ANH. I think that the Jabba scene IMPROVES things. Here's why: first, it gives Jabba a bit of a character arc. Second, it makes the threat of Jabba catching Solo seem a little more urgent, instead of something just hinted at in ANH and ESB then hammered at in ROTJ. Third, I just like it. It makes Jabba kinda like Tony Soprano at first. By RotJ he's obviously (IMO) become ill, more sedentary, and much more cruel than in ANH. It makes me wonder what happens to Jabba during the 4 or so years in between ANH and ROTJ. Finally, Lucas ALWAYS wanted that scene in there. He had to cut it out because ILM was so behind schedule. -----signature----- Help me Prometheus, I can't barbecue my wings!
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 11:27am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	What an ugly sight it will be to see actors and locations circa 1976 sharing space with visual effects and cgi creations circa 2010. But I guess that hodgepodge of disparity is what people what. The CT is so crappy, we have to keep making improvements on it until it rises to the excellence of the PT. They should go back and insert a baby Tom Cruise into The Hustler just for continuity's sake. Screw art! Screw history! Make everything seem cool and exciting now! Retrofit all classic films to be more like the films of today! I can watch the O-OT and appreciate them for what they are. I make allowances for rougher effects and the sometimes laughable use of puppetry. Why? Because that was the state of the art back then. I don't expect "classic films" to be upgraded every few years. Especially ones that have had such an impact on history and the marketplace. George can tinker all he wants. It's his perogative. But to deny the O-OT a seat next to his latest "definitive vision" is disrespectful not only to fans of that original work, but to all of the people who helped make that original work a reality. Is this about art or is it about making the CT palatable to the MTV generation? L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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inkswamp Registered: Oct '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 1:18pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	NeoBaggins... I disagree with most of what you said. What gets lost in these discussions is whether or not the spirit of the films is there, underneath the changes. IMO, every bit of the original spirit of the SW films is there, as vital as ever. I don't find the changes distracting at all because the films still pull me in and take me away to that familiar galaxy and that's all that really matters. So what if it's a little different than what I've previously seen? I don't understand why it's such an enormous issue for some people. IMO, if one argues that the films are deteriorated by overt changes/improvements, then you also have to take the position that clean-up work, sound enhancement, color correction and other restorative work are also to be avoided. If what was originally released to the theater is the only thing that matters, if that's so precious and sacred, we should all want the film scratches, less brilliant color, less visual clarity, lower quality sound, etc. -----signature----- LAME COMEBACK #1 - Lucas should have done it my way or it's wrong LAME COMEBACK #2 - I can't think metaphorically so it's a PLOT HOLE LAME COMEBACK #3 - Complex interpretations confuse me LAME COMEBACK #4 - Lucas must spoon-feed me every detail
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 1:49pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Restoration does not alter content. It restores the quality of a degraded film. You cannot compare the film restoration process with replacing dialogue, visual effects shots, and inserting new footage into an old film. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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Fingolfin_Noldor Registered: Aug '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 2:42pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	As for myself, I would have prefered he left the ending for ROTJ alone.. would rather see the Ewok dance and the Rebels frolicking with the Ewoks than a bunch of Gungans on a roof top. Also, I found the part where they used stormtrooper helmets as drums funny. Other than that, I wouldn't mind if he redid the space battle. There wasn't enough scenes showing capital ships killing each other. Thankfully, I'll see some of that in ROTS. -----signature----- For of old there was Sauron and the Sindar in Beleriand named him Gorthaur. Fingolfin, High King of the Noldor, Lord of Beleriand. Of the line of the Elven Kings of the Noldor, only the Numenorean Kings and the Half-Elven carry the line Fleet Junkie!!! Lo
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Devilanse Registered: May '02	Date Posted: 3/30/05 3:06pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Hey, I got those lyrics off of the official ATHF website Devilanse. They're wrong. Blame Lowry Digital and their cleaning the film up, not George Lucas. Its Lucas' name on the box. The blame falls squarely on his shoulders. -----signature----- WAR!
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Freddy-Krueger Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 3:09pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Its Lucas' name on the box. The blame falls squarely on his shoulders. It's Lowry Digital's restoration, the blame lies on their shoulders. -----signature----- "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have our revenge!"
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RogueScribner Title: Webmaster Or lando FL FanForce Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 3/30/05 3:14pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Lucas could have chosen not to release an inferior version of his ultimate vision and pushed the DVD release back some. He has ultimate control of what is released to the public. Therefore, Lucas is to blame for the DVDs not being up to snuff. But then, I don't think he really cares about the quality of the product, just making sure something is out there to line his coffers. L8r -----signature----- "I find your lack of faith disturbing." - http://www.orlandosystem.com - "You can't take the sky from me . . . ."
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Freddy-Krueger Registered: Jan '05	Date Posted: 3/30/05 4:16pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
	Hell, the thing is the only defects in the DVDs last all of a few SECONDS. The majority of the lightsaber shots turned out as they were supposed to. And everything that wasn't a lightsaber looked excellent as well. Up to snuff, isn't exactly the correct term. More like, "Well, that doesn't look quite right but doesn't affect the overall quality of the FILM." -----signature----- "At last we will reveal ourselves to the Jedi. At last we will have our revenge!"
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NeoBaggins Registered: Oct '03	Date Posted: 3/30/05 6:02pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 3/30/05 6:05pm (1 edits total) Edited By: NeoBaggins
	"I don't see the point in keeping something infureur (like my spelling) just because thats it was originally done." Again, you talk about the changing of the film as if its some common practice. There are hundreds of classic movies that people like, movies im sure YOU like, that remain the same as they were when first released. Lucas changes the STAR WARS films and all of a sudden its "I dont see the point" in leaving it the way it was. The point? Leaving it the way it was wouldnt raise an eye-brow. It would be natural and not a single person would say "Hey, they should change the movies" had George not touched them. Maybe talks of a full redo with new actors, or digital restoration which older films go through anyway to DVD. But I doubt anyone would be sitting around saying "They should replace Shaw with Hayden and make Greedo shoot first" It wouldnt even come to mind. So what do you guys do with your Comicbooks, tradingcards, records, CDs, DVDs, photo albums, home videos, artwork, and tapings of your favorite shows? 99% of those things arnt going to change or start getting any newer, why do you keep them around? Surely they suck now by the current "logic" provided here. -----signature----- You hear that? That's the sound of inevitability. You hear that? That's the A train. You hear that? That's the sound of a thousand terrible things heading this way.
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