Author Topic: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
calidevilguy  88 posts
Registered: Jul '04
19973_Aayla Secura
Date Posted: 4/1/05 6:51pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Someone mentioned that they didn't like how Boba Fett's line's were recorded and delieved, how they thought it took away from his character the way they were done the second time.

But remember that Fett is now a clone of Jango, hes basically the same person. Jango is a very apprupt, straight to the point guy, Boba would be very similiar so he did the lines the same way. I think it fits the saga as a whole much better.

 

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RogueScribner  2953 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/05 2:49pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
But remember that Fett is now a clone of Jango, hes basically the same person. Jango is a very apprupt, straight to the point guy, Boba would be very similiar so he did the lines the same way. I think it fits the saga as a whole much better.


See, this would be an alteration. Fett's character was changed to align with the prequels (which were obviously made after the CT). Lucas had an idea for the PT but needed to change the OT to have it make sense.

Does it make the whole film different? No, but it does alter a portion of it, and when you add that change to the slew of others, you end up with a film that is similar to the original, but different. There are enough changes to have people express their preferences for one over the other.

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battlewars  1703 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/05 3:27pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
whic begs the question why didn't lucas cast boba kid with no accent in the first place?

 

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Deeysew  2786 posts
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Date Posted: 4/2/05 11:50pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 4/2/05 11:52pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Deeysew
I believe every single second of a film matters. Like a sentence.

Lets review.

I every single second of a film matters.

Notice something different?

Removing or changing something also changes how it's understood. I read the argument,"meh.. it's only a few seconds.... oh it's only a change of voice or a change in the line," and I throw my hands in the air and start crying. It will still have an effect on the viewer nonetheless. Denying it wont make it go away. She/he must either embrace it or ask Lucas to change it; he likes making changes. Why not?

Or redo the entire trilogy if that's what it'll come down to.

 

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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/05 12:29am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
By your peoples arguments, once a book is published, it can not be changed

But Tollkien did it to the Hobbit, to match Lord Of the Rings.

Lucas is doing no more and no less. He's an artist and he's changing the painting as he goes. We happen to go along the ride with him this time.

It has been said, when they did the ILM retrospective.. he winced when he saw many of the Star Wars shot. This is going to be his legacy to storytelling... let him put out the best possible story he feels possible.

That being said, I've always thought he should have had Non altered version available for film historians and fans of the orginal.

 

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MarcusP2  12748 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/05 7:46am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Doesn't Boba grow up all over the galaxy anyway? I don't see why he'd have a Mandalorian/Jango accent (I'm pretty sure that's not genetic).

Some things I like, but the jarring CGI really annoys me. Plus the new lines just sound 'phoned in' to me. I can deal with it however.

 

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Deeysew  2786 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/05 9:44am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
A book can be changed and many are changed with new additions. But well... the old edition is still very much available from the publisher I believe. Also, no one said you have to like the changes an author makes to his or her book. I've read introductions to books that tell us exactly why they made changes from the last edition (Like the intro clips in the SE vhs set) If their argument is sound, which in most cases it is, then the change is embraced. Some however are embarassing to watch, they're so poorly done...So if said author makes a mistake, I'm sure they'd be willing to hear about it instead of recieving sugary praise and nothing at all objective; in many cases putting the book back into it's original state since he/she recieved many letters stating that his/her audience didn't understand his new version as much as his old. It happens.

We don't have to like it. I know about the, 'IT's StAr WArz so It doesn't matterZZzz whatz ChAnGEd' way of thinking. If that's ones way of viewing films, then I hope they enjoy themselves. I sometimes have a retarted sense of value and quality too.

Today I say, GL, you could have done better. I'm still your bich and will buy anything you put out, but please work on it some more after your finished with the PT. Thanks.

 

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Lukecash  1594 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/05 11:51am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
[/blockquote]A book can be changed and many are changed with new additions. But well... the old edition is still very much available from the publisher I believe. Also, no one said you have to like the changes an author makes to his or her book. I've read introductions to books that tell us exactly why they made changes from the last edition (Like the intro clips in the SE vhs set) If their argument is sound, which in most cases it is, then the change is embraced. Some however are embarassing to watch, they're so poorly done...So if said author makes a mistake, I'm sure they'd be willing to hear about it instead of recieving sugary praise and nothing at all objective; in many cases putting the book back into it's original state since he/she recieved many letters stating that his/her audience didn't understand his new version as much as his old. It happens. [/blockquote]

I believe that there hasn't been an original version of The Hobbit out since before The Lord Of The Rings came out.

Lucas HAS listen to some of the complaints... he did change the Greedo shooting first to them shooting at the same time. He did go back in and make the ANH Jabba better. Lucas will probabbly continue making changes...especially when ROTS is done

 

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appleseed  2530 posts
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Date Posted: 4/3/05 1:01pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
I like it quite a bit better, although the changes aren't that drastic IMO anyway.

 

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Darth_Innertube  86 posts
Registered: Apr '05
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Date Posted: 4/6/05 12:44pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
I boycott the new versions. Will never buy them.

Hey, if it ain't broke, don't fix it!!

There are some HORRIBLE additions, and it sounds like some of these may have changed in the new DVDs. I just know that I will never touch anything with a "special edition" on it. I'll just keep watching my ratty VHS tapes.

For example, how can ANYONE like that GOOFY scene where Han steps on Jabba's tail? Since when is Han so cavalier that he feels safe in WALKING ON Jabba. He certainly is terrified of him later on. Ugg...it just doesn't fit. I'll keep this thread short and not mention the myriad other crap scenes.

 

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topgoalscorer_no11  770 posts
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Date Posted: 4/6/05 3:04pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Since when is Han so cavalier that he feels safe in WALKING ON Jabba. He certainly is terrified of him later on.

What, like when he tells him he's a slimy piece of worm-ridden filth, in RotJ?

What nonsense.

Love the new editions.

Wish the O-OT was available though...

 

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Plo_Koen  4588 posts
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Date Posted: 4/6/05 3:22pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
I'm still curious what the purists think about the 1980 special edition,
when "Star Wars" became "A New Hope":

1) Alarms and klaxons are different.

2) Added panel sound effects aboard the Falcon, including a descending
whine as they come out of hyperspace.

3) The communications to Tarkin via comlink are completely different.

4) When Threepio and Artoo are hiding from the Imperials on Tatooine,
the stormtrooper's dubbed voice is different, and so is the line:

Laserdisc:
"All right, check this side of the street. The door's locked. Move on
to the next one."

Pre-ANH video:
"All right, check that side of the street. It's secure. Move on to the
next one."

5) A different actress dubs for Aunt Beru. Neither version features
the real voice of actress Shelagh Fraser, who has a thick British
accent.

6) Some Threepio dialogue uses different takes. The additional lines
("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations.
A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to
leave....") are missing from the laserdisc version.

7) The echo in the core shaft ("I think we took a wrong turn...") is
present in both versions. However, the echo is more pronounced in the
laserdisc version--probably because the video is missing the surround
channels.

8) The laserdisc is missing the now-famous "Close the blast doors!"
line.

9) Intership voices during the final battle are not synthesized.

10) During the final battle, "countdown" voices on the Death Star and
at the Massassi base on Yavin IV are completely different.

11) Luke's line on the laserdisc, "Blast it, Biggs. Where are you?" is
different on the pre-ANH video: "Blast it, Wedge. Where are you?"

Oddly enough, there is ONE visual difference. As the stormtroopers
are distracted by the duel between Vader and Kenobi, Threepio turns
and says, "Come on, Artoo. We're going." CUT to Han who says, "Now's
our chance, go!" In the version with the mono mix, these two shots are
reversed!

 

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Loco_for_Lucas  5266 posts
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Date Posted: 4/6/05 6:39pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
What, like when he tells him he's a slimy piece of worm-ridden filth, in RotJ?

What nonsense.

Love the new editions.

Wish the O-OT was available though...


Errr, that's quite different. Seeing as how Han thought they were moments away from execution, he was getting in some last pot-shots in at Jabba. That's not the same as Han stepping on the tail of someone he's trying to negotiate on payment.

Not only that, that little addition is stupid because Han steps on the boss's tail, and not one of the armed guards opens fire or reaches for their weapon. Try shoving a Mafia capo and see if his entourage just stands there.

I'm still curious what the purists think about the 1980 special edition,
when "Star Wars" became "A New Hope":

1) Alarms and klaxons are different.

2) Added panel sound effects aboard the Falcon, including a descending
whine as they come out of hyperspace.

3) The communications to Tarkin via comlink are completely different.

4) When Threepio and Artoo are hiding from the Imperials on Tatooine,
the stormtrooper's dubbed voice is different, and so is the line:

Laserdisc:
"All right, check this side of the street. The door's locked. Move on
to the next one."

Pre-ANH video:
"All right, check that side of the street. It's secure. Move on to the
next one."

5) A different actress dubs for Aunt Beru. Neither version features
the real voice of actress Shelagh Fraser, who has a thick British
accent.

6) Some Threepio dialogue uses different takes. The additional lines
("The tractor beam is coupled to the main reactor in seven locations.
A power loss at one of the terminals will allow the ship to
leave....") are missing from the laserdisc version.

7) The echo in the core shaft ("I think we took a wrong turn...") is
present in both versions. However, the echo is more pronounced in the
laserdisc version--probably because the video is missing the surround
channels.

8) The laserdisc is missing the now-famous "Close the blast doors!"
line.

9) Intership voices during the final battle are not synthesized.

10) During the final battle, "countdown" voices on the Death Star and
at the Massassi base on Yavin IV are completely different.

11) Luke's line on the laserdisc, "Blast it, Biggs. Where are you?" is
different on the pre-ANH video: "Blast it, Wedge. Where are you?"

Oddly enough, there is ONE visual difference. As the stormtroopers
are distracted by the duel between Vader and Kenobi, Threepio turns
and says, "Come on, Artoo. We're going." CUT to Han who says, "Now's
our chance, go!" In the version with the mono mix, these two shots are
reversed!


Were any of those closer to Lucas' "ultimate vision?" From what I gather, people aren't asking for the actual 1977 edition. If it exists, great, but it's more about having something that shows Star Wars as a film of its time. Lucas went on a rant about how the Stooges shorts were meant to be seen as black-and-white pieces of cinematic history, that they are not supposed to be seen as contemporary works. For that, he can watch Jim Carrey, he wants something relevent to the cultural history of film. The same applies to all of us and Star Wars. If we want hi-tech looking modern sci-fi with CG, we can watch The Chronicles of Riddick or any other dime-a-dozen sci-fi CG-paloozas. If we want something unique from the 1970s, showing what science fiction was like then, like how the Stooges show comedy of the 1930s, then we should be able to view the true Star Wars, or something close to it.

 

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Darth_Innertube  86 posts
Registered: Apr '05
19991_General Grievous
Date Posted: 4/6/05 8:48pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Yeah, Loco_for_Lucas hears what I'm sayin'.

I just think that any artist should know when to step away from a work of art and leave it alone. The OT is so good in the original format. Didn't know about the differences in the laser disc either (I still like "the door's locked..." :-p ).

I watched ESB from the video store the other day out of curiosity and I noticed they made some *slight* improvements from the original "special editions" that were shown in the theaters. In the theater, when I heard Vader, in some wierd new voice, say something like "Alert my imperial shuttle blah blah blah", I was dumbfounded. The voice wasn't even close! Why change it?

Oh, the humanity!!!

"Bring my shuttle!" <--the best!

 

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Darth_Balz 
Registered: Apr '05
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Date Posted: 4/6/05 10:38pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 4/6/05 10:45pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Darth_Balz
the special editions are an absolute disgrace. an earlier post (sarcastic or not) mentioned that no one wants to see sy snoodles as a puppet...
i'd rather see a poorly lip-synching muppet than a cartoonish computer generated alien singer that is inserted into an awkward musical number. that scene in jabba's palace throws off the whole flow of the opening story and does not fit in the film.
i could go on all day about the horrible changes made to all three films, but i'm sure other posters will do so.
granted, they are essentially the same movies but the changes are often non-sensical and unneccessary. in short, they piss me off!!

 

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