Author Topic: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Plo_Koen  4588 posts
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Date Posted: 4/7/05 5:45am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Were any of those closer to Lucas' "ultimate vision?"

Actually, point 6 and 8 were further removed from Lucas' current vision. He restored them to their original state, causing the paradoxal situation that people complained about things that were actually in the original 1977 Star Wars.

From what I gather, people aren't asking for the actual 1977 edition.

Most are, and they probably don't even realize it:

No edits, no dialogue rerecording

Leaving it the way it was wouldnt raise an eye-brow.

oh it's only a change of voice or a change in the line," and I throw my hands in the air and start crying.

 

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Samot  108 posts
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Date Posted: 4/7/05 6:58am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
I think that someone seeing the films for the first time would much prefer the new versions compared to the original versions

 

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Callie_Skye  93 posts
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Date Posted: 4/7/05 7:22am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Personally I really like the change to ROTS Anakin at the end of Jedi. It pulls things together really nicely. All things he wouldn't have had to do if he'd made the movies in the right order in the first place. Think about it, if this huge star wars thing was your baby you'd feel completely at ease about changing anything you wanted.

Course I don't really like the new scary singer in Jabba's palace, *grins* but this comes from the man who brought us Jar Jar, whatcha gonna do.

Biggest scene he could have left out was the Han and Jabba in the hanger sequence... it just looks completely wrong.. very very wrong.

Like others said, I've got the originals, I can watch them if I'm in the mood to reminence.

For now I'll enjoy the smooth glossy latest edition.

 

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Leia's Starboard Hair Bun  1595 posts
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Date Posted: 4/7/05 9:17am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Is the redone trilogy better then the original?

No. Most complaints about the originals are that the effects have aged, but I think the CGI is far worse than anything in the originals. And CGI ages extremely poorly as well.

 

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Darthnidan  118 posts
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Date Posted: 4/7/05 12:19pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Yhea!, i tend to like it better.

 

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JediMasterKendo  444 posts
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Date Posted: 4/7/05 5:30pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Even though the Star Wars trilogy looks alot better there is still a minor problem

the cockpit of the snowspeeder during the Hoth battle. in the original version the cockpit panel is see thru and the Special Edition didnt make it better but the Trilogy DVD made the cockpit look like a cockpit but if you look closely its still see through just a little bit

 

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Loco_for_Lucas  5266 posts
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Date Posted: 4/8/05 1:02am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Were any of those closer to Lucas' "ultimate vision?"

Actually, point 6 and 8 were further removed from Lucas' current vision. He restored them to their original state, causing the paradoxal situation that people complained about things that were actually in the original 1977 Star Wars.


So he took them out and put them back in? Was there any point to making the alteration in the first place?

From what I gather, people aren't asking for the actual 1977 edition.

Most are, and they probably don't even realize it:

No edits, no dialogue rerecording

Leaving it the way it was wouldnt raise an eye-brow.

oh it's only a change of voice or a change in the line," and I throw my hands in the air and start crying.


Errr...okay...so you're basically agreeing that people want a Star Wars that looks like it came out of the seventies? Seeing as how that was my point...

 

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Plo_Koen  4588 posts
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Date Posted: 4/8/05 4:37am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
So he took them out and put them back in? Was there any point to making the alteration in the first place?

I believe it was a technical error in the transfer from film to video.

Errr...okay...so you're basically agreeing that people want a Star Wars that looks like it came out of the seventies? Seeing as how that was my point...

Yes, I agree. My point is: Be honest about it. Some say they don't want ANY change AT ALL, while the reality is that they're perfectly fine with the changes that were made in 1980, because that's the version they're familiar with and fell in love with.

Don't want any CGI additions? That's cool in my book, but tell it like it is.

 

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JediPadmeLightside  82 posts
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Date Posted: 4/8/05 11:54am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
I like the original version of the trilogy, though the updated ones clean up the visuals on them. Some of the newer effects seem to not look right to me.

 

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Loco_for_Lucas  5266 posts
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Date Posted: 4/8/05 6:41pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
So he took them out and put them back in? Was there any point to making the alteration in the first place?

I believe it was a technical error in the transfer from film to video.


I dunno. I've seen the alterations, and they seem too, hmmm, "thought out" to be technical errors. I mean, it looks like there was thought behind it, cutting specific lines, like it was a decision. "Close the blast doors" is just too convenient of a line to be left out. Makes me think "Why that line?" For it to be an arbitrary mistake, it doesn't mesh for me. I can see how it would have been a conscious decision on Lucas' part to cut comedy where he felt, in retrospect, it didn't belong. I'm not saying I agree or disagree with that decision if that's what it is, but I feel it looks too well thought-out to be a mishap in transfer.

Yes, I agree. My point is: Be honest about it. Some say they don't want ANY change AT ALL, while the reality is that they're perfectly fine with the changes that were made in 1980, because that's the version they're familiar with and fell in love with.

Don't want any CGI additions? That's cool in my book, but tell it like it is.


Yeah, like I said, there are people who want a Star Wars with historical context. The 1977 edition is out of the question, that's a given, if people know it or not, like I said, if it's possible to come across it, great. If not, at least something CLOSE to it. CGI takes it out of its historical context, like what George was talking about with the Stooges shorts. We're fortunate enough to have Stooges shorts with their audio tracks intact, that we know of. If they were lost, and there were redubs that were close, then I'm sure people could settle for that as long as the shorts were in black and white, as a testament for the period they were made in. The same applies to Star Wars. The 77 edition is gone, fine, but at least leave us with something that's close to it, that LOOKS like it came from the seventies. Something to settle down with and archive for future generations.

 

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Plo_Koen  4588 posts
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Date Posted: 4/9/05 4:43am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
The lost dialogue had something to do with the rear channel audio track, it was simply omited for the video mix. It's clumsy, but I don't think it was intentional. The SW history buffs can tell you the exact details.

Another ironic fact is that lines like "You were lucky to get out of there" and "I can see a lot better" could also be heard in the original versions of ESB and ROTJ, in theaters with a dolby system if I'm not mistaking.

 

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Phredreeke87  507 posts
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Date Posted: 4/9/05 6:16am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Some people say they want the original. Which original? The 1977 ANH-less theatrical version? The 1982 Puke and Scum version? The 1989 shrinking letterbox version? The 1995 Faces version? (in fact, if Lucas would change his mind and release the pre-SE, I have a feeling we won't get either of those)

 

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Bad_Feeling  1690 posts
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Date Posted: 4/9/05 6:22am Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
Yeah, the trilogy DVD set is the best version of the movies so far.

 

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Jedi_Ford_Prefect  1042 posts
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Date Posted: 4/9/05 3:47pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original?
You know, I love the changes, and hope that we see more in time (mostly in ANH: Imperial Senate, Alderran, Vader on Coruscant). However, I guess Lucas should release the O-OT on DVD at some point. Just to make all the bashers shut up.

But then, would people stop complaining even if he did that?

 

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Date Posted: 4/9/05 6:15pm Subject: RE: Is the redone trilogy better then the original? - Date Edited: 4/9/05 6:17pm (3 edits total) Edited By: RogueScribner
However, I guess Lucas should release the O-OT on DVD at some point. Just to make all the bashers shut up.

But then, would people stop complaining even if he did that?


I think you're confusing "bashers" with "purists." I don't mind the SE's, I just don't hold them in as high regard as the O-OT. Also, it's not just "bashers" who wish the unaltered versions would be released. Many a film critic, columnist, and historian have voiced the same wish.

I said it before and I'll say it again: Lucas can make as many changes as he wants to these films, just don't bury the O-OT in the process. Permit it to continue to have a place in the public marketplace and let people choose which version(s) they want to support. I dislike the fact that Lucas, as a self-professed film heritage preservationist, denies his own fans the pre-altered versions of the films. He saturates the marketplace with altered versions of the films, but apparently is so embarrassed by the O-OT that he feels the need to flush it down the toilet and hope all other copies out there fade away. For shame.

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