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thejazzman
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5/22/05 4:31am
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RE: Luke's Jedi training ???????
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It's not fair to say the the training on Dagobah was a few months or for that matter more than a week.
Why? Because of the flow of the movie in comparison to the everyone else's scenes. The time lines don't match up. From day one the MF is pursued from a continuing clock. So at most Lukes has spent a couple of days with Yoda. Other wise his leaving Dagobah doesn't match up with the clock on MF.
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Minela
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6/1/05 11:13am
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After reading the novelization of ESB, I think Luke was on Dagobah for 1-2 months. He got very intensive training.
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Buschman
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oh god no. Luke wins in ROTJ because Darth Vader doesn't want to kill Luke and is conflicted inside. Luke is definately not more powerful than Vader in ROTJ.
I beg to differ. Luke got a taste of the darkside when the thought of leia being turned was dangled in front of him. I think he cleaned vader's clock fair and square. But to Luke's accomplishment he saw what was happening and pulled back. he was mindful of his teachings and saw that he was going down a darl path. Taking vader's hand made everything click for him.
Now in Vader's defense I don't think he was as good a sabre fighter as he was before being burnt. Just because he is the choosen one does not neccessarily make him the best sabre fighter or even the most power Jedi. Yoda eluded to a possible misreading or misunderstanding of the profacy. I was hoping they would get more into it, but they left that up to our imaginations. You could take that as Anakin did infact kill the emporer when it was all said and done. A surprising path, he took, but the outcome was the same. Or you could say he did bring balence to the force, where the Jedi flourished prior to his arrival, and then he came along and all that was left were a knight and a master on each side. Sounds balenced to me.
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thejazzman
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6/1/05 3:58pm
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Either way its not fair. A movie needs to be fair in ascertaining what's going on. The movie does not play like a couple of months therefore it isn't.
A week tops. The point of watching a moive is one need not read a book to answer fundamental questions. Novelization of screen plays is about filling in the minutia not to fill gaps in story telling.
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yankee8255
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10/20/05 2:35am
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I'm bringing this up again because I think on e factor was overlooked in the previous posts:
When Luke leaves Yoda in ESB, Yoda tells him he is not finished with his training and must stay. Luke goes off and gets his *** handed to him by Vader. At the the start of ROTJ, when he goes to face Jabba, Luke has clearly progressed significantly, without having returned to Yoda. And Yoda tells him his training is complete. My question: what was Luke doing betwene the two movies that he progressed so far? Did he pick up a copy of "Becoming a Jedi for Dummies" at his local bookstore?
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10/21/05 10:45am
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i just assumed that luke went back to dagobah to continue his training with yoda. and then when he finished, they gave him the title of Knight, which i dont think he would give to himself.
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BrideofVader
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Luke's was the school of hard knocks. The two remaining Jedi did not have the luxury of Council, life-long training periods, or trials. Luke had to figure out a lot of stuff on his own. Sometimes you can learn a little from a teacher as a starting point and be able to figure out the rest through experimentation and living it. In fact, the only things that Luke used that he didn't learn on his own was sensing the future, resisting the Dark Side, and other snippets of wisdom you can only get from an old and experienced Jedi, like "Try not. Do or do not. There is no try." "Luminous beings are we, not this crude matter." I don't blame anyone for being skeptical, since I was skeptical of this training as well for a long time. However, people figure things out if they have to, even in the real world.
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Do or do not. There is not try.
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DarthFx3
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9/11/07 10:12am
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I only know of 1 movie that was filmed in real time. If you want to get technical we never see a sun rise or sun set so it must all happen in one day, right. of course not. Lucas shows us the relevent happenings to the over all plot in such a way as it maintains an entertaining flow.
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DarthSticky
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Wow, bringing a thread back after a two year hiatus, neat trick!!
The EU (Thrawn Trilogy) makes several references to the months that Luke spent on Dagobah, but if you want to stick with just the films I think it is impossible to definitively say how long he was there.
However, my interpretation goes like this...
The Falcon's escape from Hoth, flight through the asteroid field, hiding in the asteroid, hiding on the Star Destroyer and subsequent floating away with the garbage all took place in a relatively short period of time (days). The non-hyperdrive flight to Bespin would have taken a significant amount of time (months) regardless of whether they showed that time passing or not.
The only thing I can point to as "proof" of Luke's time on Dagobah is the emphasis on his "buffness" at the end of his training. Not only has he devloped his Force skils, but his training on Dagobah has emphasized physical skills (climbing vines and running while carrying Yoda, etc...) as well. This has resulted in a more muscular frame that Luke feels the need to show off with the obligatory jacket-off scenes. (No points for jacket-off jokes, it's just to easy!!)
I know it is a stretch, but my opinion is that the point of showing off Luke's muscles is to give some idea of the time he spent training on Dagobah.
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DarthDubya05
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And then of course, he had the time between ESB and ROTJ, if any EU material didn't interfere with it.
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Master_Starwalker
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9/13/07 10:51pm
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It doesn't in terms of him getting stronger, but the films make it clear that he hasn't been to Dagobah in-between the films.
"I'll return, I promise."
"I've got a promise to keep, to an old friend."
"I've returned to complete my training."
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Healthiest_Stomach
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Minela posted:
I'm very sorry, because this is probably not a new topic, but I have to ask.
Obi Wan teaches Luke how to use the force in the MFalkon for a few hours, and then Yoda teaches him for a few days, and then in ROTJ, Luke has masterd the Force and is almost a Jedi, just like that. I mean, how long did it take him to become a Jedi? Anakin was refused because he was too old, evan though he had this great power, and 10 years later under the training of a real Jedi he was still not allowed to take the trials. I wasn't under the impression that Luke's powers were bigger than Anakin's. Please explain.
What I never really understood is why Luke had to face Vader in order to become a Jedi.
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Master_Starwalker
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9/15/07 1:25am
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He had to overcome his fear and resist the Dark Side.
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I don't believe Luke went back to Dagobah for some more training between ESB and ROTJ. Remember the dialogue between Yoda and Luke in ROTJ. Luke asks Yoda if Vader is really his father. If he'd gone back to Dagobah before, he had aksed Yoda that already.
Besides this, I don't think Luke would go back to Dagobah before he had Han saved from Jabba. Luke didn't know Han was still frozen in cabonite by then. For all he knew, Jabba could be doing all kinds of horrible things to Han, so saving him was really the first priority.
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