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electrum538
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5/23/05 10:25am
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I see it like this. Try puting on a storm trooper outfit and run around in the woods. It would be very confortable or practicle when fighting a peoples that are use to that environment, no matter how small they are.
I have also worked in a saw mill for 7 years and i could tell you i have seen first hand what a log can do to machinery......and they would tear apart an AT ST, no problem.
Take some stones to the head that would kill you. I don't care if you have a helmet on.
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Absydian
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5/23/05 10:32am
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At what point in ROTJ do people get the idea the Ewoks did anything but distract and seperate the Imperial forces?
I keep seeing all this talk about the Ewoks owning the Empires elite forces.
All they did was throw a few rocks, scream boogy boogy and run off into the woods.
There were a few traps set up for them but other than that the ewoks sole purpose was to divert the attention and squad from the shield generator.
Once chewie got an At St though it was pretty much the turning point.
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Vortigern99
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Since this question has been sidebarring the "ANH=meh?" thread, I decided to chime in here and offer my opinion. The Ewoks do not in fact "defeat the Empire".
The 'Woks are clearly losing against the Imperial troops, and suffering casualties, until Chewbacca commandeers the AT-ST and suppresses the attacking Imperials. The Ewoks re-group and manage to spring the traps they've been hiding in the forest, which swings the tide for them for the moment. Their rocks and blunt-force weapons prove effective against lightweight 'trooper armor designed for blaster fire.
But still the battle is not won, and only Han's ingenuity -- and the usage of Chewie's AT-ST to effect a disguise -- wins the Rebels the bunker. We cannot discount, too, the contribution of the Rebel soldiers, whose on-screen presence is underplayed but who are there in the ground battle nonetheless.
Thus we see that the perception that the "Ewoks defeated the Emperor's best legion" is erroneous.
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rumsmuggler
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I love the Ewok that was smart enough to pick up a Stormtrooper blaster.
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Earthknight
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Hey, a good arrow through the neck would kill a stormtrooper. Plus some Ewoks had axes I think.
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TwiLekJedi
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thanks Vort. I've become somewhat of a broken record with the "distraction" explanation in recent years whenever the "Ewoks beat the Empire" thing came up.
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Juan-King
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the credibility isn't helped by the way the movie establishes them as cloyingly cute and extremely irritating .
the battle has too many scenes where sticks overcome blasters somehow .
And finally - when Han tricks them into opening the backdoor a group of troopers come out and when faced by approx the same number of ewoks with sticks simply surrender !
a low moment , and another low moment for Han's character , one of several in ROJ.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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The backstory to the Ewoks beating the Empire isn't exactly unbelievable. Stormtroopers stand out like a sore thumb in jungle terrain, and the Ewoks knew the land better.
But did they really have to be little cute cudly ewoks? Why couldn't wookies come in instead and pwn the Empire?
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Arawn_Fenn
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Vortigern99 posted:
Their rocks and blunt-force weapons prove effective against lightweight 'trooper armor designed for blaster fire.
Supposedly designed for blaster fire, and yet stunningly ineffective against it. 
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rumsmuggler
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
The backstory to the Ewoks beating the Empire isn't exactly unbelievable. Stormtroopers stand out like a sore thumb in jungle terrain, and the Ewoks knew the land better.
But did they really have to be little cute cudly ewoks? Why couldn't wookies come in instead and pwn the Empire?
I wish that the Ewoks were shown to be more vicious than cute. Some of their actions(like trying to eat Han and Chewie) implied that they had a hardcore side to them. It would have been nice to see more of the strike team though.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Endor_Strike_Team
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Star Wars, especially Return Of The Jedi, was made for little kids.
Not 12 or 13 year olds, or anyone older. Not people who are now in their 20's and 30's who saw the first trilogy when they were 6 to 12 years old.
The Ewoks appeal to younger kids and that's why Uncle George put them in his movie.
He was thinking about all the cabbage he could make merchandising the Ewoks, and he was a smart man to do that.
Now he's a Millionbilliontrilliongazillionaire and doesn't have to work another day in his life if he doesn't want to, so it's all good.
I did like the scene where the Biker Scout was clotheslined by that rope strung between two trees.
For a second there , I thought I was going to hear Vince McMahon do some color commentary about that clothesline.
Hulk Hogan jumps out of the trees wearing his yellow tights, shakes his finger at the fallen Biker Scout while occasionally glancing around at the crowd (the Ewoks), picks him up, whips him into a tree, does the big boot to the face, drops a leg and gets the three-count.
Then, instead of Luke vs Darth Vader with a lightsaber, it's Hulk Hogan vs Darth Vader in a wooden cage match for the Title.
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rumsmuggler
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Star Wars, especially Return Of The Jedi, was made for little kids.
We(or most of us) are aware of that bud. 
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Vortigern99
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Juan-King posted:
when Han tricks them into opening the backdoor a group of troopers come out and when faced by approx the same number of ewoks with sticks simply surrender !
The Imperial surrender is credible because the Rebel soldiers are also there, as is Chewie's AT-ST. It's not just "approx the same number of ewoks with sticks".
As to the criticism that they're "cloyingly cute and extremely irritating", I for one disagree. We perceive them as cute because they're diminutive and furry, and resemble actual woodland mammals, to which we humans have a natural attraction. Then again, Chief Chirpa and Logray the Shaman aren't cute at all but rather repulsive, or at least neutrally unattractive. That some of the Ewoks are subjectively adorable should not be taken as an indication that they as a species are weak or that they lack the ability to defend themselves. Wolverines and badgers are pretty "cute", too, until provoked to violence.
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Vortigern99 posted:
Juan-King posted:
when Han tricks them into opening the backdoor a group of troopers come out and when faced by approx the same number of ewoks with sticks simply surrender !
The Imperial surrender is credible because the Rebel soldiers are also there, as is Chewie's AT-ST. It's not just "approx the same number of ewoks with sticks".
As to the criticism that they're "cloyingly cute and extremely irritating", I for one disagree. We perceive them as cute because they're diminutive and furry, and resemble actual woodland mammals, to which we humans have a natural attraction. Then again, Chief Chirpa and Logray the Shaman aren't cute at all but rather repulsive, or at least neutrally unattractive. That some of the Ewoks are subjectively adorable should not be taken as an indication that they as a species are weak or that they lack the ability to defend themselves. Wolverines and badgers are pretty "cute", too, until provoked to violence.
Wise words..
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Why isn't the Ewoks beating the Empire stupid?
Because they don't. The Mighty Chewbacca and his captured AT-ST do.
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