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Earthknight
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ posted:
The backstory to the Ewoks beating the Empire isn't exactly unbelievable. Stormtroopers stand out like a sore thumb in jungle terrain, and the Ewoks knew the land better.
But did they really have to be little cute cudly ewoks? Why couldn't wookies come in instead and pwn the Empire?
I imagine they'd look mean and vicious if you used CGI on them.
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JediMasterChiefYoda
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The ewoks were a very good distaction, and GEN Solo was wise to use them. Not only did they allow Han and co. to escape thier capture, but since there were hundreds, if not thousands, there, the Empire seemed to have forgotten its primary mission; to protect the main shield generator. Between the muptitude of ewoks and the small sampling of rebels, the empire must have thought the attack was a diversion. Remember, according to the Emperor, there was "an entire legion" of troops on the Forest Moon. There are over 1,000 troops in a legion, and, at most, we saw 200 Imperial Troops. Remember, GEN Solo didn' know about the back door (prolly part of the trap), and because of it, the main defense didn't get to play ball during the fighting. I'm sure the main defense had more then 6 AT-STs; and the AT-AT never did show up.
So, hundreds, if not thousands, of troops and your best equipment not showing up in an all-or-nothing fight tells me that you don't think that this is the main event.
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rumsmuggler
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Remember, GEN Solo didn' know about the back door (prolly part of the trap), and because of it, the main defense didn't get to play ball during the fighting. I'm sure the main defense had more then 6 AT-STs; and the AT-AT never did show up.
Solo and his crew knew about about(Thanks to Wicket), and they went to the back door.
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JediMasterChiefYoda
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Yes, they found out about it, but it was the Empire (read: Emperor's) will that they NOT find out about it. But because they didn't respect (or befriend/elimate) the ewoks, the rebels found out about it, and then used the ewoks as cannon fodder. The novelization said that the ewoks were being killed wholesale, the only reason the Empire couldn't beat them was they were pouring onto the battlefield faster then they could be killed.
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rumsmuggler
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I've read the novel. It's been a good while, though..
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Juan-King
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Vortigern99 posted:
As to the criticism that they're "cloyingly cute and extremely irritating", I for one disagree. We perceive them as cute because they're diminutive and furry, and resemble actual woodland mammals, to which we humans have a natural attraction. Then again, Chief Chirpa and Logray the Shaman aren't cute at all but rather repulsive, or at least neutrally unattractive. That some of the Ewoks are subjectively adorable should not be taken as an indication that they as a species are weak or that they lack the ability to defend themselves. Wolverines and badgers are pretty "cute", too, until provoked to violence.
you misunderstand me , I certainly don't find them cute or adorable . Dumbo is cute and I like Dumbo . the ewoks are cloyingly cute , as an analogy : sweet can be nice , but saccharine or sickly sweet isn't .
had they been like badgers or wolverines it might've worked - ie : credible creatures , when provoked violent , but they weren't like that . what we got were terrible bits of 'comedy' and 'cute' behaviour, followed by rather ridiculous antics : waddling about waving sticks and troopers falling over .
When they start using using traps to wreck the atsts it gets better , but we have to suffer far too much nonsense in between.
I can't see any rebel troops in the scene where the Imps give up , I'd give you the ATST , but watching the scene - the troopers come out and they're confronted by Han and a bunch of ewoks , the ATST isn't threatening them . ok we could assume ...
but really it's the way this whole thing is done/presented - another lame comedy moment .
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JediMasterChiefYoda posted:
Yes, they found out about it, but it was the Empire (read: Emperor's) will that they NOT find out about it. But because they didn't respect (or befriend/elimate) the ewoks, the rebels found out about it, and then used the ewoks as cannon fodder. The novelization said that the ewoks were being killed wholesale, the only reason the Empire couldn't beat them was they were pouring onto the battlefield faster then they could be killed.
Man , that would've been good!!
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Upon reflection i don't find the Ewok battle as unbelievable, as the space battle. After seeing Republic cruisers, and Seperatist starships battle in ROTS, i think of all those Star Destroyers in ROTJ, and they should have wiped out the Alliance ships. But they really didn't even engage. Now i know the Emporer "had something special planned", but the Death Star only fired twice, i think.
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I can't see any rebel troops in the scene where the Imps give up
We see the scene from the POV of looking at the bunker, the best for the Rebel Squad, (who are dressed in camouflage), to hide while waiting for the Imperials to come out, would be in the forest, behind the camera.
the ATST isn't threatening them . ok we could assume ...
Well, Chewie isn't one of the people on screen standing next to Han, and we don't later see him in the bunker setting the charges. Where else would he be except sitting in the AT-ST pointing a very large gun at the imperial troops?
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rumsmuggler posted:
Star Wars, especially Return Of The Jedi, was made for little kids.
We(or most of us) are aware of that bud. 
Thanks for the validation rumsmuggler.
The point is, whoever criticizes the Ewoks helping to defeat the Empire is looking at it from an adult point of view instead of throught the eyes of a child and it doesn't have to, and wasn't meant to, appeal to adults.
It's a moot issue, imho.
On another note, since you are a rum smuggler, I'm wondering if your ship
runs on alcohol.
Does it?
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I think I'll make a fan film called Woodland Mammals.
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rumsmuggler
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TaunTaunHerder posted:
Thanks for the validation rumsmuggler
No prob..
TaunTaunHerder posted:
On another note, since you are a rum smuggler, I'm wondering if your ship
runs on alcohol.
Does it?
Sometimes, but not lately? Is there any valid reason why you are asking?
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^ ^ LOL. Please do! "Woodland Mammals: The Saga of the Ewoks". We could use a good Ewok-origin biopic. Rated R. 
I think if the makers of ROTJ had had some means (CGI or good animatronic puppet masks) to make the Ewoks' faces go mean and vicious -- like a badger or a wolverine -- at appropriate moments, the 'Woks would seem more credible to our grownup, skeptical minds, and we likely would not be having this discussion. Maybe Lucas can tweak certain shots in a future release of ROTJ, maybe add a more convincing shot of the 'Woks wailin' on the 'troopers, and the Rebel soldiers joining in for good measure. I can agree the battle sometimes plays as a fun, kid-friendly romp rather than a serious military engagement.
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If they showed a few ewoks with a mentality like Tarfang, then the complaining would probably stop.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Tarfang
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Earthknight
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Juan-King posted:
Vortigern99 posted:
As to the criticism that they're "cloyingly cute and extremely irritating", I for one disagree. We perceive them as cute because they're diminutive and furry, and resemble actual woodland mammals, to which we humans have a natural attraction. Then again, Chief Chirpa and Logray the Shaman aren't cute at all but rather repulsive, or at least neutrally unattractive. That some of the Ewoks are subjectively adorable should not be taken as an indication that they as a species are weak or that they lack the ability to defend themselves. Wolverines and badgers are pretty "cute", too, until provoked to violence.
you misunderstand me , I certainly don't find them cute or adorable . Dumbo is cute and I like Dumbo . the ewoks are cloyingly cute , as an analogy : sweet can be nice , but saccharine or sickly sweet isn't .
had they been like badgers or wolverines it might've worked - ie : credible creatures , when provoked violent, but they weren't like that . what we got were terrible bits of 'comedy' and 'cute' behaviour, followed by rather ridiculous antics : waddling about waving sticks and troopers falling over .
When they start using using traps to wreck the atsts it gets better , but we have to suffer far too much nonsense in between.
I can't see any rebel troops in the scene where the Imps give up , I'd give you the ATST , but watching the scene - the troopers come out and they're confronted by Han and a bunch of ewoks , the ATST isn't threatening them . ok we could assume ...
but really it's the way this whole thing is done/presented - another lame comedy moment .
Um...the Ewoks look like little bears. Last time I checked when provoked, a bear can easily kill a man.
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