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Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
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Ben R
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Date Posted:
6/5/05 4:05pm
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Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
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Especially now that I've seen Revenge of the Sith a few times, I am totally OK with Anakin's ghost looking like Hayden Christensen at the end of Return of the Jedi.
In fact, I recently let people who never saw the original trilogy borrow my old VHS tapes to see those movies after they saw the prequels recently. (I typically would never part with my DVD's.) The more I thought about it, I drove over and gave them my DVD's to watch, instead. I wanted their impression of episodes 4, 5, and 6 to be as positive as possible. The DVD's look way better. I like most of the newest changes. I especially realized that seeing an 80-year old Sebastian Shaw as the force ghost would be completely weird to them. So, I gave them my DVD's to borrow, instead.
This made me really think about it. The only people who think that the 80-year old shaw works best are those who saw it for the first time in the 80's and always accepted it that way. I saw it for the first time in 1983, too. ...But, I seem to be more open to improvements and noodling than most people my age. I am able to "unlearn what I have learned." In context of the entire saga (now completed), Hayden Christensen as Anakin's ghost, looking as he would have - had he not turned to the dark side, is now touching to me. I like that Luke can see who his dad really was back when he was a good guy. It works for me much better than having luke look on some old man with weird hair, who is older than Obi-Wan, who we never saw like that ever in the saga.
What is your opinion now that you've seen episode 3? What works more as a ghost for people in the future seeing the saga in numerical order for the first time: Hayden Christensen or Sebastian Shaw?
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Darth_Xcitor
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6/5/05 4:26pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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first of all Shaw was 78 in '83 but I digress, I accept and like Hayden as Anakin a lot better for two reasons. Vader would have been in his 40's if he was 9 in EP1, he would have been 19 in 2 and about 22 in 3, he would be somewhere in his 40's at the time of his death, second of all, Anakin never got the chance to look like Shaw, he was burnt to a crisp in his 20's so he would never grow to look like that, plus I am of the opinion that when you die your spirit looks how you did in your prime, but that is just a personal belief and has no proof to it.
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Ben R
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Date Posted:
6/5/05 4:33pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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"first of all Shaw was 78 in '83 but I digress"
 Are you even serious at all with that statement??? Anyway...
So, you vote for Hayden, then?
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Freazl
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6/5/05 5:10pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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After seeing RotJ, I'm happier having Hayden as the ghost, but I don't see how he can be a ghost - having not been tought this ability due to being evil and destroying things like rebels while Obi was learning it.
I dunno, the age thing is a problem too.
I still prefer Shaw.
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KennethMorgan
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6/5/05 5:18pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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The big problem I have with it is that it assumes that Anakin "died" when he turned to the Dark Side and, thus, that's how he'd appear in the afterlife. However, the whole point of his redemption is that he didn't "die"; there was still good in him.
Now, admittedly, I'm a bit of a purist about this, and that certainly influences my opinion. However, I'm not going to go all ballistic about it.
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ClonedEmperor
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6/5/05 5:25pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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Personally, I prefer the Sebastian Shaw Anakin, but the Hayden Anakin isnt THAT bad.
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colivo
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6/5/05 5:44pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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I've never had any problems with the changes Lucas made to the OT, but this is the only one I don't like. I like Sebastian Shaw as Anakin. Sure he is a little bit older than he should be, but I always thought it was a very symbolic image of Old Ben, Old Anakin, and Yoda. I really can't describe it, it has nothing to do with nostalgia, or "I grew up with it so don't change it," it just doesn't look right with Hayden Christenson.
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jedimaster11
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6/5/05 5:55pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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6/5/05 5:56pm (1 edits total)
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I'm also from "the old school" who saw it back in '83...I like it much better with Hayden. I never heard or cared to research the explination to why it was done other than continuity and visual. I actually wish they could have aged him a bit..I also wish GL would have somehow popped Hayden's face into the unmasking scene and done a voice-over. Maybe they'll do it when they re-package all the dvd's when ROTS comes out...
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Boba_Phat
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6/5/05 6:00pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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After seeing ROTS it only reinforced my belief that Hayden should not be at the end of Jedi. At the end of the story I don't want to be reminded of the child-killing, Sandpeople-murdering version of Anakin.
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Felton
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6/5/05 6:59pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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"He ceased to be Anakin Skywalker
and became Darth Vader. When that happened,
the good man who was your father was
destroyed. So what I have told you was
true... from a certain point of view."
I like Hayden. If Yoda and Obi brought Anakin back as a ghost (as some have suggested) then wouldn't they bring back the image of him that the remember?
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6/5/05 7:02pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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Yes
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jdijade
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6/5/05 8:37pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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Personally I think there's a bit of an odd reward system going on in the afterlife here...
Apparently, if you're a loyal, powerful Jedi who lived your life as close to the ideals of good as possible, you get to spend eternity shriveled and old. BUT if you are selfish and evil, wreak havoc and death on the galaxy for a couple decades first, then sneak in a good deed at the last minute, you get to retain an identity that shimmers in the prime of your youth.
Sucks to be Obi-Wan and Yoda! Maybe they should have knocked a couple of younglings around.
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Date Posted:
6/5/05 8:48pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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obiwan and yoda spent less than 20 years in isolation. they spent the rest of their years with the jedi. i like having hayden in the final scene.
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PadmesDaughter
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6/5/05 8:49pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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I'm a little torn... I'm Old School, and I certainly don't want Hayden inserted in Vader's death scene, but the age is so off... I don't mind seeing a wrecked looking guy under the mask because he should look like hell, he's been covered all this time...
I liked seeing Hayden, it did connect the films for me. But. Regardless of what GL wants, my children will watch the Saga in the order it was made, not the episode order. I just think overall they work better that way, particularly because of the fourth film introducing the Force and all that. And because I don't want the greatest movie surprise of all time spoiled for them (although when my daughter recently saw the father revelation she said, "hey, just like Toy Story 2!")
Anyway, I'm taking my seven year old through the movies now, she hasn't seen the PT. We watched ROTJ recently and when Hayden showed up she said "who's that guy?" So that's a problem.
And after seeing ROTS it seems like the spirits of Yoda and Obi-Wan might want to kick the crap out of the Anakin spirit, but that's just me.
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6/5/05 8:58pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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I was always okay with it, and ROTS didn't change that.
The old man Anakin never even existed. Young Anakin was the way he appeared before he turned. It's fine with me.
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Dark Lady Mara
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Date Posted:
6/5/05 10:42pm
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RE: Now that you've seen Revenge of the Sith, are you OK with Hayden as Anakin's ghost in ROTJ?
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I was never okay with it, nor with Lucas's reasoning for the change, which pretty well undermines the whole point of the saga in my opinion. I like it even less after RotS, though. As someone else mentioned, now we get to look at him and remember child-murdering Anakin. He just doesn't have the same sort of presence beatific old Shaw did.
And what do you mean old Anakin didn't exist? He was right there behind the mask.  Presumably what we see at the end of RotJ is what he would have looked like if he'd never been scarred, because there's no point in keeping your scars in the afterlife when you get to choose your own appearance.
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