Arawn_Fenn posted:Maybe it's the royal we.
haljordan33 posted:Arawn_Fenn posted:Maybe it's the royal we. this "person" claimed in another thread that SHAW causes a plot hole. Well my young friend you are mistaken about a great many things. As with most all prequel lovers you ignore reality and twist and turn and spin the truth so that it fits into your little prequel loving world. Now let's go to class and try to understand this. The OT films came out first. They were the blueprints. They built the structure for the back story that would have and SHOULD have become the prequels. there is NO WAY that the OT could cause a PLOT hole because the OT came out first. The foundation was layed with the OT. Lucas IGNORED this previous outline and foundation all together when he made the prequels and in doing so he caused PLOT HOLES. THEN he goes and tries to make changes to the OT so that these plot holes do not seem so obvious. But this fails. I.E making all the stoirm troopers talk with the same voice, chaning boboa fetts voice, adding new lines to the vader/emperor conversation in episode 5, adding hayden as a force ghost. There are many more i could name but to do so would be pointless. Plot holes were caused by one thing and one thing only. LUCAS's writing in the prequels. None of these plot holes had to happen. Storm troopers should have been just that. troopers. soldiers for the empire. They should have had nothing to do with the CLONE WAR. Anakin should have never of been started as a CHILD. Everyone told lucas it was wrong. From speilberg to the man responsable for giving us the BRILLANT screenplay in episode 5 and raiders of the lost arc "LAWEREWNCE KASDAN". Having boba fett as a kid in these films serves no purpose NONE. Having chewbacca serves NO PURPOSE. NONE. SHAW represents the ANAKIN SKYWALKER lucas alwways described in the 80s. a noble and great jedi and hero and great friend to ben kenobi. You see his old tired face and you know there is a history behind it. You know there are battle scars behind it. you see two OLD JEDI (anakin and obi-wan) and yoda at the end of return of the jedi all three together and you know there is a story to be told about these two old and wise jedi knights. Now you can look at that scene and see obi-wan the old wise jedi master and yoda the even older and wiser jedi master and then. DRUM ROLL please....the teen age brat who never did anything but cry and whine and disrespect his master. Briallant change george. Arawn you can enjoy that garbage all you want.
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:Go-Mer-Tonic posted:If Lucas is trying to make a distinction between Anakin before he became Vader and Anakin after he came back in ROTJ, then it's important to use Hayden's image now that the prequels are in place. Otherwise one might come to the correct conclusion that the Force Ghost is supposed to be Anakin after he had turned back.Fixed.
Go-Mer-Tonic posted:If Lucas is trying to make a distinction between Anakin before he became Vader and Anakin after he came back in ROTJ, then it's important to use Hayden's image now that the prequels are in place. Otherwise one might come to the correct conclusion that the Force Ghost is supposed to be Anakin after he had turned back.
T-R- posted:Listen to Kenobi's description of Luke's father and his talk of Owen not agreeing with the idealistic crusade. NONE of that was depicted in the PT. Since Anakin was already a knight prior to his turn, it doesn't jive with Vader being a pupil of his until he turned to evil either.
Arawn_Fenn posted:T-R- posted:Listen to Kenobi's description of Luke's father and his talk of Owen not agreeing with the idealistic crusade. NONE of that was depicted in the PT. Since Anakin was already a knight prior to his turn, it doesn't jive with Vader being a pupil of his until he turned to evil either. All of that was depicted in the PT. And it was "before" he turned to evil, not "until" he turned to evil, but nice try. The fact remains that Shaw clashes with the timeline implied by ANH/TESB, while the PT does not.
haljordan33 posted:All that was shown?
haljordan33 posted:watch revenge of the sith with the commentary turned on and LUCAS himself says obi-wan leaves the lava bank thinking that anakin is DEAD. DEAD.
haljordan33 posted:So how/why would they be hidden from someoine they believe to be dead?
Go-Mer-Tonic posted:So Obi-Wan learned Vader survived and endeavored to keep the children hidden from him as well as the Emperor.
haljordan33 posted:WRONG! ben tells luke in return of the jedi. "to protect you both you were hidden FROM YOUR FATHER WHEN YOU WERE BORN" Lucas in the revenge of the sith commentary says "obi-wan belives anakin is dead as he walks away from the lave pit" watch both scenes and you will see for yourself. ooop! no way to spin this one big guy.