Author Topic: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Jedi_Keiran_Halcyon  7517 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 10:17am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Arawn_Fenn posted:
And there's that teensy little plot point you may have forgotten about...


Which would be...?

You know, Fenn, if you don't have an interest in actual clarifying discussion and are only here to give smug half-responses, maybe you should go away.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 10:18am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
I guess the only way to combat logic is with a wisecrack.


Arawn_Fenn posted:
Just because we didn't see it doesn't mean it didn't happen.



With that excuse, anything can be explained away. I'd use that judiciously if I were you...

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 10:19am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost - Date Edited: 4/18 10:27am (2 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
With that excuse, anything can be explained away.


If something isn't SHOWN in the PT but is not CONTRADICTED by the PT, it does not need "explaining". I guess you need George to explain why he didn't follow your imaginary rules.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 10:23am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost - Date Edited: 4/18 10:26am (2 edits total) Edited By: Grand_Moff_Jawa
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
How do you just shrug off such a valid point?


That never happened. Maybe you're not getting it.


Tell that to Go-Mer. He's the one saying Jedi don't actually die, but give themselves to the Force.

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
He didn't die, metaphorically or otherwise.


No one can ever die metaphorically as long as you continue to insist that the definition of "metaphorical" is the same as the definition of "literal" in order to prop up your failing stance. Lucas says otherwise, and he's the authority.


Do you read only the first few words in a sentence and then hit reply? My statement is pretty black and white. Anakin didn't die when the Vader persona arose.

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
He's not talking about the death of the people on Alderaan or Captain Antilles, is he? He's referring to Anakin and only Anakin.


laugh Anakin never met Captain Antilles, did he?


What does that have to do with the statement I made? Anakin had become Vader, but never lost his true self, only buried it. Your comeback was "tell it to the people on Alderaan or Captain Antilles." To which I replied that the original poster wasn't referring to the deaths Vader caused, only this supposed "metaphorical" death of Anakin. Try to keep in focused on the point next time.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 10:26am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost - Date Edited: 4/18 10:30am (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
He's the one saying Jedi don't actually die, but give themselves to the Force.


The old "Go-Mer Distraction" strategy. Well, thanks for the update, I guess. laugh

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Anakin didn't die. Period.


"Metaphorical" does not mean "literal". Period.

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
What does that have to do with the statement I made?


Everything.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 10:34am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost - Date Edited: 4/18 10:36am (2 edits total) Edited By: Grand_Moff_Jawa
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
He's the one saying Jedi don't actually die, but give themselves to the Force.


Which has nothing to do with me or what I was saying, the old "Go-Mer Distraction" strategy. Well, thanks for the update, I guess. laugh


You were the one who brought it into contention. Now you run away and push the emphasis on Go-Mer. Sad. You don't mind using quotes from other people when it suits your side of an argument, but when those quotes are picked apart, you blame the originator of the quote.

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Anakin didn't die. Period.


Metaphorical" does not mean "literal". Period.


Which is why they are two separate words, to use your line. laugh

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
What does that have to do with the statement I made?


Everything.


Another non-answer.


The knee-jerk gainsaying of what others post does not constitute a valid argument. Surely you can do better.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:01am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
You were the one who brought it into contention. Now you run away and push the emphasis on Go-Mer. Sad.


Yeah, I'm the one who always brings up Go-Mer when the other person's arguments aren't suitably Go-Mer-esque. laugh Focus... focus.

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Which is why they are two separate words, to use your line.


Which begs the question of why you insist they must have the same definition.

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Another non-answer.


Or is it... the answer to the question?

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:09am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
You were the one who brought it into contention. Now you run away and push the emphasis on Go-Mer. Sad.


Yeah, I'm the one who always brings up Go-Mer when the other person's arguments aren't suitably Go-Mer-esque. laugh Focus... focus.


Twist, twist, twist... rolling_eyes

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Which is why they are two separate words, to use your line.


Which begs the question of why you insist they must have the same definition.


How many times do I need to explain it to you? The only, ONLY time Anakin dies, metaphorically or literally, is at the end of ROTJ. If you can't understand this simple idea, please don't bother trying to debate this point any longer. You see? I do understand the difference between metaphor and reality. You can stop using that lame comeback now, k?

Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Another non-answer.


Or is it... the answer to the question?


How is "everything" an answer to a question? That's pretty all-encompassing, no? A person with any debating skills at all would go into detail. Apparently you'd rather make a pointless post and then run. Why?

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:14am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost - Date Edited: 4/18 11:15am (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Twist, twist, twist...



Focus....

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
How many times do I need to explain it to you? The only, ONLY time Anakin dies, metaphorically or literally, is at the end of ROTJ.


Metaphorical still does not mean the same thing as literal, and Lucas still pwns you.

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
You see? I do understand the difference between metaphor and reality.


I guess if you say it enough times it becomes true!

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
How is "everything" an answer to a question?


It's an answer to the question "What's Antilles got to do, got to do with it? What's Antilles but a second-hand Alderaanian? Who needs a neck when a neck can be broooooken?"

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:21am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Alright mods, time to step in and stop this antagonistic, trollish behavior from Arawn_Fenn. I don't want this thread to be locked because of one sad individual. Thank you.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:23am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
You tried that already, remember.

Contradicting your dismissal of the English language is not trolling.

Neither is citation of the author, whose stance ( as usual ) is being ignored.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:28am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Arawn_Fenn posted:
You tried that already, remember.

Contradicting your dismissal of the English language is not trolling.

Neither is citation of the author, whose stance ( as usual ) is being ignored.



Blah, blah, blah. If you had any decency in your character at all, you'd drop the arrogant act and try debating like a normal individual. Life isn't always about clever quips and appearing better than everyone else.

Let's get this thread back on track now, please.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:30am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost - Date Edited: 4/18 11:32am (1 edits total) Edited By: Arawn_Fenn
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
If you had any decency in your character at all, you'd drop the arrogant act and try debating like a normal individual.


Attacks on my "character" will get you nowhere.

The evidence is right there in the thread, and you have nothing to counter it with so you're resorting to threats.

Does that count as a "win" in Internet land? laugh

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Let's get this thread back on track now, please.


Translation: a thread is only "on track" if no one challenges your stance.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4745 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:34am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
If you had any decency in your character at all, you'd drop the arrogant act and try debating like a normal individual.


Attacks on my "character" will get you nowhere.

The evidence is right there in the thread, and you have nothing to counter it with so you're resorting to threats.

Does that count as a "win" in Internet land? laugh

Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Let's get this thread back on track now, please.


Translation: a thread is only "on track" if no one challenges your stance.



Will you STOP?!?!?!



Back on track, PLEASE.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10379 posts
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Date Posted: 4/18 11:36am Subject: Official Thread: Hayden Christensen replacing Sebastian Shaw as Anakin's Force Ghost
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
Back on track, PLEASE.


I've been on track the whole time.

Shaw is too old.

 

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