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Palp_Faction
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12/31/05 7:20am
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RE: Why the Emperor BLEW it with turning Luke...
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Even when I firt saw ROTJ in the theatre WAY back in '83 I wondered why Luke would suddenly join the Empire if he succeeded in killing Vader. I guess Palpy is just so strong in the dark side he can manipulate his apprentices actions.
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School_Zone
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1/6/06 9:10am
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RE: Why the Emperor BLEW it with turning Luke...
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Though the Emperor was unsuccessful at turning Luke, I don't believe that he "blew it." It's possible to make no mistakes and still end up not getting what you want.
Palpatine had years to befriend and get to know Anakin. This was not possible with Luke. Luke was trained to be a jedi. All he could do with Luke was get him mad, to him a taste of the dark side, and hope that he'd come back for more. One could assume that he convinced Dooku to join the dark side by doing this.
Luke just chose not to do so.
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yoshifett
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1/6/06 11:12am
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Yoda mentions, in ROTS, that the Emperor places too much faith in the dark side. But let's think about the scene in ROTJ. The Dark Side is VERY strong. So strong, in fact, that all Sidious has to do is cultivate luke's hatred...you know, the whole take your saber and kill me thing that the Emperor says. After that, he's primed to turn to the dark side. And he's this close to doing it! Luke almost, almost, strikes down Vader before coming to his senses and saying what is now one the of the most meaningful lines in the series "I am a Jedi, like my father before me."
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MystikalMaceWindu
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1/7/06 2:45am
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Yes, just as we now see how over-confidence played a part in the downfall of the Jedi, such over-confidence led to Palpatine's death.
And the story of Darth Plageuis starts playing in my mind. Palpatine smirks when he was Plageuis couldn't save himself.... well, in the end, Palpatine couldn't save himself either.
DARTHFINGERZ posted:
I agree Yodalives.....Luke is a symbol of Palpatine's ultimate failure and his arrogance towards the end.
Seems like he didn't fear losing power, or death and both happend.
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DARTHFINGERZ
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1/7/06 9:09am
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^^ Good point about Darth Plageuis demise and Palpatine being similar in that they couldn't save themselves...Also, both were done in by their apprentice.
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MystikalMaceWindu
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It's double irony, then.
Palps talks about how ironic it is that Plageuis knew how to keep people from dying, but not himself.
And Palps being the one who killed Plageuis, ironic that he couldn't save himself. Like Master, Like Apprentice.
And now, when I see Emp sitting there in ROTJ, talking about how his design is going all according to plan, I also can't help but think of his WHOLE plan, beginning with TPM..... and how it rolls out strong in Sith.
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DARTHFINGERZ
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1/8/06 2:28am
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^^ It also makes me want to know more about Darth Darth Plagues actual fall and if he also thought "everything was going according to plan".
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lordjohnnydarkside
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If your truly good or bad you will still want your dad or son at your side. So whatever side you are on you will be more presuaded to keep it in the family. Blood is thicker than water.
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DARTHFINGERZ
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1/10/06 7:55pm
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yoshifett posted:
Yoda mentions, in ROTS, that the Emperor places too much faith in the dark side. But let's think about the scene in ROTJ. The Dark Side is VERY strong. So strong, in fact, that all Sidious has to do is cultivate luke's hatred...you know, the whole take your saber and kill me thing that the Emperor says. After that, he's primed to turn to the dark side. And he's this close to doing it!
^^ Good point also swinging the other way. I could see that too - that it wasn't so much weakness or over-confidence on Palpatine's part that caused him to "blow it" as it was that the darkside was simply so strong Luke should have turned when he felt it's power.
It's like when you turn a lamp on - you naturally expect it to light up.
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ComicDiva
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1/10/06 9:52pm
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People, please. You all saw how easily Anakin turned to the dark side once he attacked Mace Windu. It really isn't that inconceivable that once Luke killed his father he would join the Emperor, because he would feel that truly is his destiny.
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DARTHFINGERZ
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^^ I agree that it did come off like he turned instantly in that scene...
However in that case there was build up to his turn from the years of guidance/manipulation by Palpatine with Anakin before that ultimate moment.
ComicDiva posted:
It really isn't that inconceivable that once Luke killed his father he would join the Emperor, because he would feel that truly is his destiny.
^^ The way it was going it certainly seemed like that was possible.
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El Kabong
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1/12/06 11:37pm
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chefelf posted:
It's an odd choice that Palpatine made, taking 13 years to befriend and manipulate Anakin but only 13 minutes to do the same to his son.
The thing is that you guys are forgetting: Anakin had years of Jedi training with all control and disipline to keep your emotions in check (for all the good it did him). Luke had - what, one extended session with Yoda which probably focused more on the mechanics of the Force than the principals behind it.
Palpatine had 13 years of jedi brainwashing to work against. Luke was considerably less so.
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DARTHFINGERZ
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1/21/06 8:15am
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^^ Luke also had a short amount of time with Obi Wan while he was still alive. For what that was worth.
We can't even say Luke learned anything from Obi Wan (in ghost form) between EsB and RoTJ because in RoTJ when Luke speaks to Obi Wan again clearly it's his first time talking to him since EsB.
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Chancellor_Ewok
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1/22/06 10:02am
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DARTHFINGERZ posted:
"With Luke the Emperor became far too transparent without giving any real sense of substance to join the darkside."
^^ Yeah...Which falls in line with his being over confident.
There's that, but there's also the fact that Sidious had been grooming Anakin and preparing for Anakin's turn for over a decade. Not so with Luke. Yes, Luke may been at a dangerous point in his training where it would have been easy turn him in the right circumstances, but the fact that he actually had something akin to parents for most of his childhood meant that he was much more emtionally stable then Anakin was at the same age.
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Master_EdgeCrusher
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1/23/06 6:22pm
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Sidious knew that Luke was not like his father, so he had to piss him off, by hurting him, flaming his anger and lust. Anikan already had that.
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