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Why the Emperor BLEW it with turning Luke...
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xx_Anakin_xx
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1/13 6:26pm
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RE: Why the Emperor BLEW it with turning Luke...
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Luke had the same anger management problem his dad did when it all came down to it. If he hadn't seen his father's hand was like his, he may not have realized what he was doing and killed Vader (so in a way Vader saved Luke there by not giving into new technology and putting a flesh hand on). More importantly, Palpatine had worked on Anakin - manipulating him since he was a young boy all the way up - befriending him with deceit - plus Anakin had the Jedi slighting him the whole time as well - so Luke had it a bit easier when it came down to choices; he only knew Palpatine as the Evil Sith Emperor.
But here is my big question: if Darth Vader wanted to get rid of Palpatine and go into business with Luke, then why did he stop Luke from killing Palpatine in anger with his lightsaber? I know Palpatine wanted it, but was he planning to save himself somehow? And even if he was, Darth Vader could have struck at the same time and hit the Emperor unawares, double teaming him and taking him down. This has always made me think that Vader even at that point was conflicted; he stopped his son from striking in anger which would have turned Luke, and at the same time blew his chances for take over and ridding them of Sidious. I know Vader and Luke fought after that, but I think it was the beginning of Anakin breaking out of the prison of the dark side - unless I am missing something...
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Alpha-Red
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1/26 8:58am
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RE: Why the Emperor BLEW it with turning Luke...
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It goes back to ROTS when Anakin, shortly after turning to the dark side, tells Padme that he can kill Sidious and the two of them can rule the galaxy together. Sure Padme isn't Force sensitive, but apparently that wasn't stopping him. However things go wrong, Padme dies, and Anakin loses his fight to Obi-Wan, preventing him from initiating his revolt against Palpatine (see Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader).
He spends the next twenty years trying to accrue enough power and knowledge, as well as to find a new apprentice, so that he can at least kill Palpatine and get the rule-the-galaxy part. We know he gets one shot at it in Force Unleashed, but that we know is probably going to fail. However, by ESB he does get a chance at recruiting an apprentice, and not just any apprentice, but his own son. He blew it with turning Padme to his side, so getting Luke to join him would be just as good. Heck, he's Force sensitive as well.
The long and short of it is that Vader fails in ESB and realizes that it will be Palpatine trying to turn Luke next. He knows that Luke will surpass him in power and so he decides that the only real thing he can do is to sacrifice himself so that his son can be apprenticed to Palpatine. Unhindered by a mechanical breathing suit, Luke would have the "opportunity" that Vader didn't to harness enough about the dark side, defeat Sidious, and rule the galaxy for himself. George Lucas's stories actually have quite a lot of poetic detail to them....if he bothers to tell them to the audience.
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jedibri
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Well, Palaptine was trying to feed off the fact that Luke was loyal to his friends and his Father. So he tried to lure him by useing his Father as an example. The thing of it was Luke wasn't buying.
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xx_Anakin_xx
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RE: Why the Emperor BLEW it with turning Luke...
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Yeah but the Emperor didn't so much blow it as he never stood a chance in the first place. In the radio dramas (which are canon according to Lucas) Sidious tells Vader to throw Luke down the shaft core when he'd killed him and so he did finally give up on Luke - although he didn't give up on Vader. When Vader picked him up, he commanded he put him down as his Master. Vader said 'you were the master of Darth Vader, but not of Anakin Skywalker' - so I would say that the Emperor actually blew it with Anakin in the end, not Luke. Kind of an ironic payoff for all of Sidious' hard work with the Skywalkers.
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GGrievous
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jedibri posted:
Well, Palaptine was trying to feed off the fact that Luke was loyal to his friends and his Father. So he tried to lure him by useing his Father as an example. The thing of it was Luke wasn't buying.
Yes. Luke was smarter than Anakin for not letting himself go and turn to the dark side as Anakin did. But Palpatine knew that Anakin had strong feelings for Padme, so it could be easier for him to turn Anakin to the dark side by showing him unique powers that he could have. However, Luke did not have strong feelings for anyone at that point in the Death Star II expect for Leia and Han. But he was trying to bring his father back to the light side and felt good in him as Padme did.
Palpatine did not make very wise choices. Instead he blasted sith lightning at Luke for not turning which made Anakin came back and fulfill his prophecy by defeating Palpatine and saving his son, Luke.
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xx_Anakin_xx
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I don't know if Luke was smarter - he simply had way less pressure over all. Luke had the pressing need to save his friends just as Anakin had a pressing need to save Padme. However, prior to that, Luke was raised in more idealic circumstances physically free and mentally - whereas Anakin was raised as a slave and later had his head being batted back and forth between the Jedi and Palpatine. So by the time they reached Lord Sidious for their respective turning points, Anakin was much more vulnerable. Also, Sidious could not play on Luke's fears as much about his pressing need to save his friends - whereas Anakin had dreamed Padme would die and Anakin's dreams tended to come true...
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blicknasty
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2/7 1:54am
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The Emperor is notorious for his arrogance. Me personally, I wouldn't have had to be persuaded to the Dark Side. But the again, I'm no Jedi.
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