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DarthDubya05
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Here's my idea.
Work with me here..
George Lucas puts in a video message of himself at the end of ANH, saying " *&^% off, you whiny fans. It's my *^)*)(*& movie and i can do what i want."
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Vortigern99
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I've never posted here before, but after perusing a few pages and mulling over the possibility of a "Final Edition" of the OT, I'd only like to see three things:
* Convincingly -- and accurately -- animate Jabba in ANH, or else cut the scene. He's a visual abomination: two-dimensional, lifeless, and he looks like he's made of dry, gray-and-yellow rubber (when clearly in ROTJ he's made of wet brown latex!)  I've long held this scene to be extraneous and intrusive, and the Hutt's distorted appearance only makes matters worse.
* Convincingly animate the singers in ROTJ. The disparity between the movements of the various puppets, the performers in masks, and these CG weirdoes is too great; it strains credibility and visual integrity. The salivating open mouth of the screeching lead singer, in particular, is ghastly -- and hideously out of step with the aesthetic of this film. (I do like the song, though, and do not mean to suggest it should be cut.)
* Restore the light sabers -- particuarly those in ROTJ -- to their pre-DVD luster and luminosity. (In case anyone has missed this, the sabers are dimmed and washed out -- esp. in the Throne Room -- owing to the recalibration of contrast and color timing, more's the pity.) EDIT: This is an extremely important point, IMHO, given the iconic nature of the saber and the artistic requirement, if you will, of the films to show these 'laserswords' as almost blindingly brilliant to the audience's eye.
And that's really all I would need. A far more minor quibble would be with some of the eyes of the Ewoks', which look like what they are -- glass beads -- or, sometimes appear to be vacant entirely, revealing the performers' eyes beneath. These few instances could be given some subtle animation to 'liven up' the occasionally 'dead' Ewok stare.
Other than that, since they took out Luke's ridiculous Bespin "NOoooooooo!", and did a fair job of darkening Palpatine's face slugs, I'm happy with the DVDs as they are.
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DarthButt
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Yeah, I concur with your three points Vort. CG graphics have come a *long* way since 1997. A much more realistic redo would be better. And less animated characters, if you will (read: not so cartoonish in their movements and expressions).
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Darthdias
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I thought I'd bump this thread in light of adywan's fan edit. NOTE: I'm not bumbing to discuss ady's edit, but simply because the dit has given me ideas for new official changes.
For those of you who haven't seen, it is a fan made edit of ANH that has taken like a year to finish. During that time, he has taken the advise and usggestions from other posters as to what should be changed.
I must say I am really impressed with his edit, and that many of the changes he made should have been made by Lucas a long time ago.
I am mainly talking about fixing the problems of the 2004 dvd transfers, like improving adio and visual quality, particularly by getting rid of the color saturation problems (like pink screens and such).
And he fixed the lightsabers, something that Lucas should have fixed 10 years ago.
I am also really impressed with the re-edit of the Vader-Obi-Wan duel and feel like something like that should be done by Lucas. The music doesn't feel right, though.
The Death Star introduction is awesome, although the planet is a bit distracting and the imperial march is should IMO not be used so full-on. But I really liked the extended introduction itself and seeing the star destroyer move closer.
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LordVader66
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The most glaring error of ANH, for me, is the Tarkin/Vader relationship. Tarkin is the boss, and now, from the pt, it shouldn't be like that. It's never going to look perfect unless the film is completely remade, but things can be done to make it better. First, Vader's dialogue must be altered when he Force chokes the Moff, from "As you wish" to "I will do as I wish..." and second, there must be some scene with Palpatine and Vader talking. As Tarkin and Vader walk in to the conference room, Tarkin speaks for the Emperor, announcing that Palpatine has disbanded the Senate. That should be Vader's role, speaking for the Emperor. Then, Vader goes and stands behind Tarkin as Tarkin sits down, showing Tarkin to be the superior. People always claim that doesn't mean anything but it does. When Vader sits at the table on Cloud City and Boba Fett walks in behind him, do you really think Fett is in charge?
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BaronLandoCalrissian
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I think the prequels have made that better. It speaks volumes about what Vader is after 20 years. He's General Grievous, purely muscle, until his son motivates his larger ambitions.
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Darthdias
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Vader is standing up to mark that he is separate from the command staff, that he is there as an independent observer. Regardless, there is no suprior-subordinate relationship: Vader and Tarkin are on equal footing as explained by Lucas himself.
Tarkin speaks for the Emperor to his own staff, so it isn't a big deal. It's not like Tarkin anounced it to the whole Empire. Besides, Peter Cushing is too great in the role to cut his lines IMO.
That said, one thing bugs me: Tarkin tells Vader "Terminate her! Immidately!" That does not strike me as right, Tarkin ordering Vader to do something (choking Motti is different; Motti was Tarkin's officer and not Vader's).
Sollution: Turn the officer that delivered the report into a hologram and have him stick around after he's finished speaking. Then have Tarkin ordering HIM instead of Vader to terminate the princess.
The actor who plays the rude junior officer in the beginning needs to be brought back to dub over his remarks with more fearful sounding lines. He is way too bold towards Vader. At least Motti was punished.
I would also suggest a very controversial change: bring in James Earl Jones to re-score all the lines in ANH, since the quality of Vader's voice is so poor in comparison with ESB and ROTJ. Jones' delivery was excellent as always, but the technology to tweak the voice was seriously lacking. It sounds as of someeone is talking from inside the suit, rather than a voice generated BY the suit as in all the other movies.
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CaptainYossarian
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Although Tarkin was responding to Vader when he ordered Leia's termination, I tend to think that he was not literally ordering Vader to do it, or even organising it, merely decreeing that it should be done. His first reaction was to announce what he wanted, then he would have arranged it with the relevant people. I doubt he expected Vader to do that.
As for Daine Jir, I don't think any change is necessary. Whilst he does not seem to fear Vader and appears to contradict Vader's intended course of action, what he is in fact doing is just presenting the potential ramifications and ensuring Vader knows how his plan could all go horribly wrong and backfire on him. Vader no doubt knows that already but he evidently has a better relationship with Jir judging by the tone of their exchange. Vader might be very powerful but he must still appreciate his people keeping him apprised of the options. So although Vader did not tolerate insubordination I don't think he minded Jir challenging him in such a way, since after all, if Vader's subordinates were allowed to speak their minds in a sensible way they would know they were following his orders because he was right, rather than because they were scared of him.
Admiral Motti on the other hand was the wrong kind of cocky. Vader knew that he did not respect him and so sought to teach him a lesson about his worth to the Empire and the power of the Force. Vader wanted respect and was prepared to use his power to get it but he obviously respected his subordinates as well if they deserved it, that's why he had a better relationship with Jir.
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General Kenobi
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I always have to shake my head at some of the absolutely literal interpretations people seem to want from films.
Darthdias posted:
I would also suggest a very controversial change: bring in James Earl Jones to re-score all the lines in ANH, since the quality of Vader's voice is so poor in comparison with ESB and ROTJ. Jones' delivery was excellent as always, but the technology to tweak the voice was seriously lacking. It sounds as of someeone is talking from inside the suit, rather than a voice generated BY the suit as in all the other movies.
I've always thought this would be a good idea. Changing the Emperor's dialog to Ian in ESB really helps (more so than the hologram, IMO).
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Yeah, JEJ coming back in would help a lot, just like Ian McDiarmid doing the Emperor helped too.
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Darthdias
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I was dead sure everyone was gonna hate my suggestion about bringing Jones back to re-score. Good to know others agree.
Yossarian, I agree that Vader is not the guy to like a suck-up. That's the Emperor. And Vader pretty much hated the sycophants he surrounding himself with (the purple advisors) and thought of them as petty filth in the ROTj novelisation.
But it also seems at times that he likes his auro of fear in ESB, and encourages officers to be afraid of him. But if someone voices a concern respectfully, Vader won't mind. Piett objected to going into the asteroid field and Vader didn't care, he just told him to get it done. Likewise when the captain (needa?) told Vader that the Falcon must have been destroyed.
What bugged me a bit about Jir's line was how antagonistic he was. Especially his second line "She'll die before she tells you anything!". Again, I don't think Vader minds that officers sometimes question him, in fact I think he respects boldness, but it's not polite enough for my liking. Piett and Needa disagreed respectfully, which IMO Jir didn't. I can live with it, but after watching ESB it becomes very jarring. In that one, even arrogant or overally self-assured officers like Veers and Ozzel show restraint and fear when addressing Vader.
Btw: is it just me and my computer or has this site suffered some technical difficulties lately?
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jedimasterbac
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Darthdias posted:
I was dead sure everyone was gonna hate my suggestion about bringing Jones back to re-score. Good to know others agree.
Well, if you had said that another guy with a deep voice should do it, then it would have been a different story. If the original actor comes back in to do something, then there's nothing really wrong with that since he'd just be touching it up.
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It's fine. They should leave it alone.
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(10 day bumps ftw?  )
Here's something to think about (I think I was talking to Butt about this, but I could be wrong): for those that don't want to see changes at all, would you be more open to them if you were given the O-OT on DVD in Blue Ray? That way you'd have a very crystal clear version of the originals, and since they'd be out there for all to see would that make you open to the idea of Lucas just going insane on changes if he wanted to?
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Totally.
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