Author Topic: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
RavenRock 
Registered: Oct '05
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Date Posted: 10/27/05 4:56pm Subject: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
1. At the beginning of Ep. 4, Vader was arguing with his colleagues that they should not put "too much faith in the technological terror you've constructed," and instead talked about the power of the dark side of the force.

2. At the time of Ep. 4, The only person who out-ranks Vader was Grand Moff Tarkin. The governor dies in the destruction of the Death Star. We know that Vader was interested in ruling the galaxy from what he shares with Luke in Ep.
Five: "We can rule the galaxy as father and son." This was a way for Vader to get rid of Tarkin, without getting his hands bloody.

3. It was Vader's idea to let the Millenium Falcon go, to return the stolen plans to the rebels. This of course, directly lead to the Battle of Yavin and the destruction of the Death Star.

4. Vader knew he could escape the destruction of the Death Star by being in his ship when it happened. How nice that his ship had hyperspace capabilities, as well.

5. Vader seemed to really fowl up when he was targeting Luke. This is odd when we consider Vader's legendary piloting skills vs. Luke's limited piloting skills. The solution: Vader knew the "force is strong with this one," so he let him get the shot.

6. It's just like a member of the Sith to betray his own. Dooku talked about it too.

 

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RocketGirl  4899 posts
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Date Posted: 10/27/05 5:42pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
Please! I don't buy it for a second. Vader had a shot on Luke and was taking it. He would have killed Luke if given the chance.

That chance was taken from him by the unexpected intervention of Han Solo and the subsequent collision by his wingman. Had it not been for Han at that very moment, Luke and Yavin would be dead dead dead.

Your case holds no water from where I stand.

 

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BrideofVader  152 posts
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Date Posted: 10/27/05 6:21pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
I don't think Vader liked the Death Star. But I don't think he assisted in its destruction on purpose. Anakin/Vader was always an instrument of the Force to bring balance. It would not have served its purpose nor GL's purposes to have Vader and/or the Rebels killed. Nor would it make much money to ruin a story that way. The way that Vader goes spinning and then flying off with his tail between his legs (it almost produces that visual), it practically BEGS for a sequel.

You might say that Vader was just lucky to get out alive, but a wise man once said, "In my experience there's no such thing as luck."

 

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princethomas  128 posts
Registered: Nov '01
19942_A New Hope
Date Posted: 10/27/05 8:14pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
Its an interesting idea. And certainly plausible.

my question is when Vader takes his shot at Luke, why doesn't it get him. He says.."I have you now" and then fires. Then Han says "Yaa Hoo" and Shoots at Vader.

But where did Vader's lasers go? He shoots at Luke before Han shoots at him. So why don't they hit Luke?
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ObiWan506  28561 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 5:55am Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
Moving to the CT Forum.

 

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TwiLekJedi  70044 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 6:28am Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
not likely

but a very interesting twist to consider!

 

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darthvaderv  1076 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 6:52am Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
Agreed with the others. It's a good theroy but that's all it is.

 

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Grand_Moff_Jawa  4750 posts
Registered: May '01
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 6:56am Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
RavenRock posted:
1. At the beginning of Ep. 4, Vader was arguing with his colleagues that they should not put "too much faith in the technological terror you've constructed," and instead talked about the power of the dark side of the force.

2. At the time of Ep. 4, The only person who out-ranks Vader was Grand Moff Tarkin. The governor dies in the destruction of the Death Star. We know that Vader was interested in ruling the galaxy from what he shares with Luke in Ep.
Five: "We can rule the galaxy as father and son." This was a way for Vader to get rid of Tarkin, without getting his hands bloody.

3. It was Vader's idea to let the Millenium Falcon go, to return the stolen plans to the rebels. This of course, directly lead to the Battle of Yavin and the destruction of the Death Star.

4. Vader knew he could escape the destruction of the Death Star by being in his ship when it happened. How nice that his ship had hyperspace capabilities, as well.

5. Vader seemed to really fowl up when he was targeting Luke. This is odd when we consider Vader's legendary piloting skills vs. Luke's limited piloting skills. The solution: Vader knew the "force is strong with this one," so he let him get the shot.

6. It's just like a member of the Sith to betray his own. Dooku talked about it too.







1. Vader is a former Jedi, so he is more in tune with The Force than technology. He never mentions the Dark Side in the conference room, only The Force in general.

2. The Emperor is still around during ANH, we just don't see him in the movie. So both Vader and Tarkin are outranked. Killing Tarkin wouldn't accomplish anything, really.

3. The idea was to be able to track the Falcon to the rebel base, thereby increasing the chance of the rebel's destruction.

4. This is debatable. Yes, he would be safer in his ship should the station be destroyed, but I think the real reason for him going into battle was to destroy the rebels ship to ship. Maybe he wanted to practice his flying skills again.

5. It seemed to me he was set on killing Luke in that scene. Han's timing is what saved Luke. He did make a shot just as his wingman was destroyed, but he obviously missed. The rest is history.

6. Vader was the only Sith depicted in ANH. The plot element of Sith replacing Sith wasn't shown until TESB.

 

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Darthdias  683 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 1:32pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
"But where did Vader's lasers go? He shoots at Luke before Han shoots at him. So why don't they hit Luke?"

Vader is using some kind of targeting device that takes a litle time to hit the target. Look at when Vader kills a few rebel pilots earlier in the movie. It take a few seconds from when Vader first fires to when the rebel is hit.

To answer the question, no i don't think Vader tried to destroy the Death Star on purpose. He was the one that almost ended whatever little hope the rebels had. Had it not been for Han, Vader would have saved the Death Star.

 

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Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa  19267 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 4:56pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
There really wasn't much Vader could do to stop the Death Star from being destroyed.

 

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Circle_Is_Complete  884 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 6:11pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
I think you bring up an interesting scenerio, I feel though that the remark about the technological terror being nothing compared the power of the force was merely him speaking the truth and keepingt the moffs in place. I feel Vader had been using Sidious as much has Sidious used him from the point of Mace's death. I thought that the turn seemed too easy and quick but after further viewings I thought that it was more legit because Anakin was slowly tired of being pulled back and forht by everyone. Pressure was being put on hime from everywhere and the one person he thought he could trust was Sidious and once he saw that he used him and played him to kill Mace I think he decided to just use Sidious to learn to save Padme. I think that was the point and which he decided to take over the galaxy and do things his way. He even mentions this to Padme. I don't feel he cared about the Death Star as much as he cared about getting rid of Sidious.

 

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lrdmonarch  703 posts
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Date Posted: 10/28/05 9:03pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
No, he didn't let it happen on purpose, but he DID warn Governor Tarkin and the others. The Force was MUCH MORE powerful then their Death Star.

 

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skyysoblue  461 posts
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Date Posted: 10/29/05 4:25am Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
Vader knew he had to find the base, he did not agree that the death star won the war.

There was no guarantee that the plans would show a weakness in the death star. In addition, Vader could not be sure that the plans had not already been copied and analyzed. His goal was to crush the rebellion not prove the value of the force,

 

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Alpha-Red  2625 posts
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Date Posted: 10/30/05 7:52pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?
I don't think Vader was above using Death Stars to crush his opposition, but he does make it clear that "technological terrors" don't make gods out of men.

 

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Chancellor_Ewok  13277 posts
Registered: Nov '04
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Date Posted: 10/31/05 8:09pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4? - Date Edited: 10/31/05 8:10pm (1 edits total) Edited By: Chancellor_Ewok
I don't think that Vader intentionally allowed Luke to destroy the Death Star, but I think that it did further Palpatine's plans. Remember, the SWRD contains several apparently private discussions between Grand Moff Tarkin and Admiral Motti, during which Motti convinces Tarkin to use the Death Star to wrest control of the Empire away from Vader and the Emperor. In addition, Tarkin was also the founder of Imperial think tank hidden in The Maw which developed the Death Star and had numerous other superweapon projects on the go, such as the Sun Crusher. I think that Palpatine allowed Tarkin to establish The Maw and build the Death Star to crush the Rebellion, but knew that playing with his toys would eventually go to Tarkin's head and that he'd make a bid for power. As strange as it sounds, Luke actually did Palpatine a favor.

 

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lorn_zahl  1482 posts
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Date Posted: 10/31/05 8:21pm Subject: RE: Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?


<i>Did Vader let the Death Star be destroyed in Ep. 4?</i>



Vader was an unabashed tyrant in ANH and I don't think thats what the movie portrays.


Then again this is purely conjecture on my part. wink










 

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