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farrellg Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 10/27/05 7:52pm Subject: Vader and Force Choke
	Did anyone ever wonder why Vader doesn't try to force choke Obi-Wan or Luke during their duels? The best explanation I could think of is that its much harder to force choke a Jedi than it is to force choke an average person. Maybe Obi-Wan and Luke would know how to block a force choke if Vader tried it on them, or they might even be able to force choke him back. This is one reason why force lightning might seem more impressive than a force choke. We've only seen force choke used on non-force sensitive people in the OT. However, the Emperor used lightning on a full-fledged Jedi Knight. He didn't even need a lightsaber and could defeat Luke with just force powers, unlike Vader who had to use a lightsaber against both Luke and Obi-Wan. -----signature----- Non so d'onde viene quel tenero affetto. http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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Whiney_Farmboy Registered: Mar '04	Date Posted: 10/27/05 8:31pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Well, for one, it takes concentration to do such things. I imagine that a Jedi Master like Obi-Wan would exploit such a weakness. -----signature----- Loke Groundrunner: I will go with you and fight! Oobedoob Benubi: Oh, big sacrifice; everyone you knew is dead! Glad you could tear yourself away! Loke Groundrunner: [whiny voice] Harvest, harvest, harvest! That's all you ever care about! Uncle Soon Dead:
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CaptainBinaca Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 10/28/05 4:58am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	It didn't seem to be a problem for Dooku against Obi-wan. -----signature----- "People who see life as anything more than pure entertainment are missing the point." --G. Carlin Zeit Gezunt
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darthvaderv Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/28/05 7:03am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Well it's interesting but as you said it's down to the fact that it probably is harder to force choke a jedi. They could counter the move with their powers. With a normal person they are helpless. As a visual, onscreen, I can't see it looking all that great if GL went with a scene to show Vader force choke either Obi or Luke it would be out of place. -----signature----- You are beaten, it is useless to resist!
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morpha2 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 10/28/05 4:10pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Plus it seems to be more of an intimidating display to use on people weaker than him than his ace-in-the-hole move in battle.
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Darra Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 10/28/05 5:03pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Only Vader has used the Force choke, right? Could it be something only he can do? Did he, one day in his rage, use the Force to reach out and choke someone? Palpatine said he saw Anakin becoming the most powerful Jedi ever. Perhaps he forsaw that Anakin would become more powerful than even himself, at least until his body was destroyed on Mustafar. I understand that because of his "new body" he wasn't able to conjure Sith lightening. As far as using it against Obi-Wan on Mustafar, maybe he really wanted the pleasure of destroying him. Force choking would be too easy.
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morpha2 Registered: Aug '05	Date Posted: 10/28/05 5:10pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	^^^ Luke used it in ROTJ outside Jabba's palace. Darra posted: As far as using it against Obi-Wan on Mustafar, maybe he really wanted the pleasure of destroying him. Force choking would be too easy. That sounds pretty plausible.
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Darra Registered: Oct '05	Date Posted: 10/28/05 8:30pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	morpha2 posted: ^^^ Luke used it in ROTJ outside Jabba's palace. OOPS! Yeah, I remember now. He got one of the guards. I don't think he was in a fit of anger though, but he is his father's son, after all. I've never heard or read that any of the other Jedi using it. But, I've only read a few of the book, though. Anyone else out there know if any other Jedi used the Force choke? I'd really like to know because it's my understanding that Luke went to the dark side, someone even told me he could move back and forth between the two. I don't know if that is true, but if he and Anakin are the only two who can do this maybe this is the reason why? Anakin was obviously moving between the two as he was moving closer to the dark side. He was still able to do it as Vader, so perhaps it's only a Sith power, and it was easier for Luke to Force choke that guard rather than waste time on really fighting with him. Oh, and to add to my previous comment about Anakin wanting to defeat Obi-Wan rather Force choking him with ease, defeating Obi-Wan in battle would prove, to Anakin, once and for all that Obi-Wan was no longer a "master" to him. Anakin's rise and fall is curious to me. He has a connection to the Force like no other, has an incredible command of it, and it freed him from slavery on Tatooine. However, he was born a slave and nearly died a slave. Becoming a Jedi requires slave like sacrifices, giving up family, friends,which were all he ever had, material things, which he never had, and follow the rules and regulations of the Jedi Order. He must go on missions by the Council's decision. Likes and dislikes play no part in the life of a Jedi. Basically he trades one type of slavery for another, and he is not able to do what he can to save the ones he loves. Who wouldn't be angry?
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Jedi_Master_Cazz Registered: Sep '05	Date Posted: 10/29/05 3:16am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	I reckon Obi-wan could deflect the force-choke. And Vader has to be angry to do it. And he was never really, truly angry with Luke...so maybe he couldn't summon it? Cheers_Cazza -----signature----- "People of Earth! I come with good tidings of Peanuts... and beer!" --- Proud Padawan to Master VaderLV64!
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farrellg Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 10/29/05 7:41am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Anyone else out there know if any other Jedi used the Force choke? On the ROTS DVD Commentary, it was said that Mace Windu used force choke on General Grievous, which is the reason for his coughing. If Windu used it, then I don't think its exclusively a dark side power. -----signature----- Non so d'onde viene quel tenero affetto. http://boards.outerrimsieges.com
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Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 10/29/05 10:39am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	As it's been said, it would take a lot of concentration to pull something like a force choke off during mid-battle. Besides, it wouldn't be that useful anyway. And to answer your question, I'm not aware of any other Jedi using a force choke, but I'm sure it was used before. No power is created to be a Light Side power or a Dark Side power, they can be used in any way. The thing that classifies a power is the intention of the person using the power. If a person uses a force choke or something like that for mere self-defense or for a distraction of the enemy, it wouldn't be used for the Dark Side. -----signature----- Dum Roma deliberat Saguntum perit. http://smuggler-of-mos-espa.deviantart.com/
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Jedi_Master_Conor Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/29/05 11:37am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	didn't luke use the force choke on the gamorrean guards when he enters jabba's palace in ROTJ?
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sith_rising Registered: Jan '04	Date Posted: 10/29/05 11:50am Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	It's too much of a distraction to try to use during combat. Even without oxygen, his opponent would only need a few seconds to kill him with a lightsaber. Better to focus on fencing, hurling objects, acrobatics, shoving an opponent away, etc. Force choking is better suited to executions, rather than combat. -----signature----- "My mentor taught me everything about the Force, even the nature of the Dark Side"
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Smuggler-of-Mos-Espa Registered: Jan '02	Date Posted: 10/29/05 12:12pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Jedi_Master_Conor posted on 10/29/05 11:37am didn't luke use the force choke on the gamorrean guards when he enters jabba's palace in ROTJ? Yes, but that was just a distraction so he wouldn't have to kill the guard and start a massacre inside the Palace. -----signature----- Dum Roma deliberat Saguntum perit. http://smuggler-of-mos-espa.deviantart.com/
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scottb7 Registered: May '05	Date Posted: 10/29/05 12:41pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Didn't Count Dooku force choke Kenobi in their fight in Episode III?
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Agent_SkywalKer Registered: Apr '05	Date Posted: 10/29/05 7:50pm Subject: RE: Vader and Force Choke
	Meh. That was.....force....grab.
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