Badger_Legion posted:Vader was only on the Death Star because he was bringing Luke to the Emperor. If Luke hadn't turned himself in, Vader would probably have stayed on the Executor.
Joe_Garelli posted:Jedi_Freedom posted: I just realized something last night: In ROTJ, obi-wan and yoda tell luke that he must kill vader to become a jedi. When Luke says that he can't kill his own father, obi-wan says, "then the emperor has already won" Then when fighting vader, the emperor tells him to destroy vader to join the dark side........WHAT??? To me this makes no sense at all. Am i missing something?? Does anyone know what i'm getting at?? Thanks There is another option that doesnt come up as much, just have Luke lead the starfighter attack on the second death star, that way Luke destroys Vader and does not confront him and risk turning to the dark side and the emperor does not win. I really dont see why Vader has to be redeemed anyway, he made his choice and chose evil so let him die and not try to redeem him, he can think about his choice and redeem himself on his own, obviously he had no interest in doing that between ROTS and ROTJ and deserves his fate, Luke is not Vaders guardian angel after all, nobody tried to reform Darth Sidious so why waste time trying to reform Darth Vader?
Jedi_Freedom posted: I just realized something last night: In ROTJ, obi-wan and yoda tell luke that he must kill vader to become a jedi. When Luke says that he can't kill his own father, obi-wan says, "then the emperor has already won" Then when fighting vader, the emperor tells him to destroy vader to join the dark side........WHAT??? To me this makes no sense at all. Am i missing something?? Does anyone know what i'm getting at?? Thanks
xx_Anakin_xx posted:[quote=Joe_Garelli] As for the contradictory messages: Obi-Wan meant Luke had to kill Vader with determination and purpose; Sidious meant Luke had to kill Vader with anger and hatred. In the first instance, Luke would not travel to the dark side in the killing. In the second instance he would.
Darth_Davi posted:xx_Anakin_xx posted:[quote=Joe_Garelli] As for the contradictory messages: Obi-Wan meant Luke had to kill Vader with determination and purpose; Sidious meant Luke had to kill Vader with anger and hatred. In the first instance, Luke would not travel to the dark side in the killing. In the second instance he would. That, in essence, sums it up entirely to me. Even if we assume (which I don't, but for the sake of argument) that Yoda and Kenobi expected Luke to kill Vader, they expected it to be a Jedi Knight killing a Sith Lord, not a would-be Sith Apprentice killing his predecessor. Yoda and Kenobi expected something like when Obi-Wan killed Darth Maul, Palpatine wanted something like how Anakin killing Dooku.
