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CrazyHillbilly619
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I don't know if this has been discussed before, but when Vader throws Palptatine down the shaft in to the core of the death star,couldn't he have used his force powers to survive it, either by levitating, adhering to the wall, or whatever? Why didn't he?
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Arawn_Fenn
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The Force is not magic. It does not allow one to fly. Or, to put it in the words of Greg Bear, "The Force is never a nursemaid."
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi
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Levitating or the other powers you have mentioned are not force powers and therefore could not have been used by Sidious.
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Palpataine was caught off guard due to his arrogance. By the time he realized that he failed he was already falling down the shaft. Even if he was to force jump back up, Vader would've been familar enough with the situation to dismember him while he was in mid jump comming up from the shaft. Even if he was to somehow get back up, he would have Luke and Vader to face, he'd be doomed either way.
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Yes, because two guys, one of them a robot, that have just been zapped over and over by lightning REALLY pose a threat. 
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Darth_Davi
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Dark_Jedi_Kenobi posted:
Levitating or the other powers you have mentioned are not force powers and therefore could not have been used by Sidious.
not to nitpick, but, Jedi can use the Force to levitate/hover. Luke does it multiple times in the EU. Its really a reapplication of using the Force to levitate objects, as we see in Empire Strikes Back, you just make yourself the object you wish to levitate. In theory, a Sith Lord would be more than capable, assuming they had the time and energy left to concentrate on it...not sure Palpatine had the strength left.
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At the time, he was focusing all of his power on shooting lightning at Luke. Once Vader grabbed him unsuspecting, that was all she wrote.
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He was a very old man who had just sustained a powerful surge of Force Lightning for over a minute to torture Luke. If he was able to levitate or slow his falls at all at this point in his life, he would have been too worn out to do it.
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sith_rhino
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I've often wodnered about this. Ignoring the EU for now, I had always wondered, if Yoda can levitate an X-Wing, why the heck can't he levitate himself?? I've never heard a satisfactory answer, just that "it's not a force power".
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Arawn_Fenn
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Darth_Davi posted:
Dark_Jedi_Kenobi posted:
Levitating or the other powers you have mentioned are not force powers and therefore could not have been used by Sidious.
not to nitpick, but, Jedi can use the Force to levitate/hover. Luke does it multiple times in the EU. Its really a reapplication of using the Force to levitate objects, as we see in Empire Strikes Back, you just make yourself the object you wish to levitate. In theory, a Sith Lord would be more than capable, assuming they had the time and energy left to concentrate on it...not sure Palpatine had the strength left.
Well, I'd say this is a good example of the difference between the EU and the films.
In the films they can't do it. If it's as simple as "just make yourself the object you wish to levitate" then any Jedi could figure it out, and we would have seen it in the films.
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I don't know, but my dad was watching it for the first time and aid he kept waiting for him to float back up
He probably couldn't though. And if he could he'd be weakened from doing so and would probably get tossed down the shaft again.
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there has to be something underneith for them to use the force.
Yoda lifts the X-Wing, but he has a starting point from with to lift up.
And even in the EU - the books don't state that Jedi can fly or levitate (but a few meters).
Not counting the EU - Yoda was also the most powerful jedi in the galexy, and even he had trouble lifting luke's xwing.
Also, the Emperor, may not have studied all the aspects of the Force, we see that while he is Dark Sidious he infact makes no mention of using "light side" force powers. So he may not even have the ability to use them.
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sith_rhino
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GeneralBryanMoonstar posted:
there has to be something underneith for them to use the force.
Yoda lifts the X-Wing, but he has a starting point from with to lift up.
That has been my explanation to myself all these years, but it's not entirely satisfying. I don't know why the Emperor couldn't have "grabbed" onto the sides of the shaft he was falling down. There is plenty of stuff there to lift off of. It's not directly underneath him, but he should still be able to use the force to grab onto some object around him. Still, perhaps he didn't have time and wasn't adept at that sort of thing.
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Blackout
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7/17/07 12:18pm
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Binder-lover posted:
I don't know, but my dad was watching it for the first time and aid he kept waiting for him to float back up
I still maintain he should have floated back up with his arms crossed, looking triumphant. Then when Vader looks over the rail in disbelief, the door of the DeLorean can flip up and chin him
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Well, I'd say this is a good example of the difference between the EU and the films. In the films they can't do it. If it's as simple as "just make yourself the object you wish to levitate" then any Jedi could figure it out, and we would have seen it in the films.
Well, kinda...
I was under the impression there that Yoda's sitting in a prison-dinner-tray and making that levitate.
So if it were possible for a Jedi to just levitate their shoes...
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sith_rhino
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Blackout posted:
I was under the impression there that Yoda's sitting in a prison-dinner-tray and making that levitate.
So if it were possible for a Jedi to just levitate their shoes...
I think it's the "-dinner-tray" that's doing the levatating, not Yoda. Like the scene in Bespin in ESB where some guys are pushing some big sort of object which is hoervering/levatating.
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WolverineOfTheORS
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CrazyHillbilly619 posted:
I don't know if this has been discussed before, but when Vader throws Palptatine down the shaft in to the core of the death star,couldn't he have used his force powers to survive it, either by levitating, adhering to the wall, or whatever? Why didn't he?
Because he couldn't. It obviously wasn't an option for Palpatine. I'm sure Palpatine would've done anything necessary to prevent his death.
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