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lorn_zahl
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9/30/07 9:13pm
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RE: Old Man Ben Kenobi's last moments on the Death Star. Do you think there was more going on?
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Obi knew that Luke wouldn't leave with out him. Also... he knew that Vader would probably win any way, what with the Stormys hovering about.
Better to be prepared for death so he could guide Luke in spirit form. Obi was instrumental in Luke's destroying of the Death Star and in his training with Yoda.
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walkngcarpet
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10/3/07 1:40pm
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I think he knew that Luke needed his help, but he couldn't give it to him in his older, weakened form.
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Knightstorme
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In my opinion I dont think Obi-Wan went there to die but the circumstances became such that he didnt have a choice. If Obi-wan had a choice he would followed Luke and completed his training. I can see him coordinating the attack on the Death Star from the Yavin control room.
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JediKnightOB1
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10/26/07 3:25am
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I think there may be another reason why Obi-Wan sacrificed himself.
he was not going to run from Vader, he was there to confront him. If he wanted to he could have killed Vader, but then the Death Star would have had a massive tactical quarintine. The Falcon would have been stuck in the hanger bay and our heros would have been put to a sudden death because of their aiding in bringing Obi-Wan to the Death Star. Not to mention helping the princess escape. There is a lot more going on. I think Obi-Wan was more concerned with getting the heros to safety so that Luke could get R2D2 and the stolen plans to the rebels.
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rodan70
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11/14/07 11:54pm
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Do you think Luke would have been this great Jedi if Obi Wan would have killed Vader on the Death Star? What would Luke have done if Obi Wan went up to him after killing Vader and said: " Oh, By the way, THAT was your father." Luke would have been upset and really, really mad! that could have led him down the path of the dark side.
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Darth_Davi
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"Okay, you idiots, stop watching me and Darth Vader duel, and get on the Falcon while everyone is distracted. I am buying you time."
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Ominous
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walkngcarpet posted:
I think he knew that Luke needed his help, but he couldn't give it to him in his older, weakened form.
But a 900+ year old Jedi Master could? 
Was there more going on? He took one for the team. Jumped on the live grenade, etc, etc.
It would have been funny if GL did go back and add in Jet Li style moves during that lightsaber battle. Crouching Tiger meets SW.
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Indigo_Jade
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Darth_Davi posted:
"Okay, you idiots, stop watching me and Darth Vader duel, and get on the Falcon while everyone is distracted. I am buying you time."
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JediMasterKendo
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11/16/07 10:07pm
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well I dunno about Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon flying moves or whatever since Vader is burdened with his robotic arms and legs and his lungs weren't that great either
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Blonde_Handmaiden
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11/18/07 7:17pm
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It'd be a bit hard for Kenobi to throw himself in the air. Even with the force's help, let's face it he wasn't in as good of shape as he used to be. Darth Vader was probably out of shape as well. I don't know, maybe fitness doesn't matter when it comes to the Force and it's ways.
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nancyallen
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I'm not sure if there's anything I can add to why Obi Wan died, sacrificed himself, whatever, but I do have a couple of comments on the fight scene. People think they should have been fighting ala RotS, yet forget about the physical condition of both men. Obi Wan is very much an old man, a Jedi to be sure but still flesh and blood, and the destruction of Aldaraan seemed to very much affect him physically. Vader, being turned into the monster that he is made him a lot less agile so his fighting style changed to be more powerful and also more defensive. I say this because of that control panel Vader wears. If someone got to that it could almost certainly be a killing blow. From a psychological standpoint Obi Wan might have mixed feelings about killing Anakin, and as for Vader, Obi Wan returning after all these years might have brought the past back to haunt him, with his fall, Padme, that sort of thing. That meditation chamber we see in ESB is shown in a comic where Vader meditates on Padme in grief, if this was after Obi Wan then perhaps he was quite shaken by the event.
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DarthArachnid
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11/20/07 9:05am
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old men.. Vader was only about 43. Kenobi around 60?
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JediMasterKendo
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Yes both Vader and Obi Wan were old men and both of them had their weaknesses at their age and Vader having robotic arms and legs and his lungs were nearly gone. BUT there might have been a few punches here and there from Obi Wan or him doing a few kung fu kicks for a minute. I dunno. All I am saying is that there might have been a minute or two of fist fighting since Luke, Leia, Han and Chewie were busy running around in the halls for about maybe a half hour real time in the movie
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Darth_Drachonus
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JediMasterKendo posted:
Yes both Vader and Obi Wan were old men and both of them had their weaknesses at their age
And yet an 80 year old Darth Tyrannus can jump off a balcony, flip, and land with grace, then go on to battle two Jedi at once with the same grace, and throw in elegance. George mucked up with the saber fight between Vader and Kenobi, or maybe he mucked up with Dooku? Hmm. Interesting ponderings there. But at any rate, the old age bit for Kenobi isn't flying after the Prequels. And if you bring the EU into it, Vader wasn't as flashy as Skywalker was, but he was powerful and agile, IF you bring the EU into it. If not, then Lucas' explaination for Vader stands true. I'm not a big EU fan, but I definitely dig The Dark Lord novel.
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lorn_zahl
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Why is it so awesome if Vader/Ben were punching in kicking off camera? 
I think there was alot going on. Practically speaking, Obi-Wan knew that there was no way Luke was leaving with out him. There is no way that Luke was ready for Darth Vader and Obi-Wan knew that his existence, in large part, was jeopardizing the new hope. Also I concur with others in that Obi Wan had a sense of destiny (for past failures) and obviously the new found powers that lay in spiritual form.
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