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SHAD0W-JEDI
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12/27/07 8:55am
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RE: Old Man Ben Kenobi's last moments on the Death Star. Do you think there was more going on?
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I always try to remember that some things were dictated by budget/practical constraints. I suspect that the Vader/ObiWan duel would look a bit different if it were shot today - I don't think it would be filled with wild backflips and such, but I do suspect it would appear a bit more intense, have a bit more flair.
That being said... it has always appeared to me that ObiWan's primary goal on the Death Star was helping Luke, Han and company escape. Other concerns were largely secondary. Once Vader confronted ObiWan, I am sure ObiWan wouldn't have minded besting him.... *S*... BUT... once he saw Luke and company headed for the Falcon, all that becaame very much secondary. By sacrificing himself, ObiWan bought the escaping Luke a few more key moments (Vader NEARLY makes it through the blast doors even so!) AND he merges with the Force.
It may sound odd, but I think ObiWan's last corporeal moments were content ones. As others have noted, he has set Luke on the right path, he has helped Luke and company escape to join the rebellion, he is about to join with the Force... it is the last good deed in a life well spent.
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PS - Keep in mind that the Vader in ANH is capable of the level of intensity we saw in ESB and ROTJ. That ObiWan was capable of holding him at bay, even if it looked relatively easy... is a testament to ObiWan's skill (and the aforementioned realities of filming, granted..*S*)
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DarthDiabolous
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12/27/07 4:56pm
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the ot was way more blasters and space battles tahn pt because they didnt have the technology of today to film such intense duels...(ex:putting dooku's face digitally on some athletic sword fighters body... they also didnt have advanced cgi)
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JediMasterKendo
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12/27/07 7:10pm
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Ok here goes another try at this
In the movie it must have taken at least an an hour or hour and half for Luke and the gang to get back to the Falcon.
All that walking around and being side tracked with running from those stormtroopers then you got Vader walking around everywhere looking for Obi Wan
Then for the Obi Wan and Darth Vader fight there probably was a few physical punches between the two of them and Obi Wan might have done a force flip jump to dodge vader's saber attacks. It probably would have been funny if Obi Wan grabbed his back in pain since he is an old man. As for Vader just because he's got robotic arms and legs dont count him out. He still has a few tricks up his sleeve. Slow and cumbersome my butt. He was probably leaping at Obi Wan and stuff. Hell with the Unleashed game coming soon I wouldnt be surprised if the game showed Vader doing alot of crazy stuff even though he's got robotic arms and legs
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TaunTaunHerder
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Um,.. I think that if they had a fistfight, that uh,....Ben would've hurt his hands pretty badly seeing as how, uh, you know that, uh, Vader was wearing armor and a helmet. Would you hit a soldier or a cop who's wearing armor and a helmet?
I think nil.
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Juggernaut86
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GrandAdmiral_Frank posted:
DARTH_BELO posted:
[quote=_Sublime_Skywalker_]I think deep down he was relieved that he could die in peace now. Luke had taken a step into the force, reunited with Leia and now could become an active member of the Rebellion. He set him up, now he just had to go to Yoda.
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That's a really good point, I never looked at it that way...
I would say there's more to it though...
I would say it's also that Obi-Wan KNEW he could not PHYSICALLY defeat Vader, but he was still smiling cos he knew that didn't matter now...Luke WANTS to become a Jedi, and he's with Leia and the Rebellion...Luke is on the right path, AND he knows he'll still be able to communicate with him, to guide him in certain situations...
So with ALL that, I imagine he'd have preferred to go with Luke physically. But even while there was no way out of that duel alive with Vader and all the troops blocking his way to the ship, he still had confidence that "this was not OVER!" kinda thing, and the right things are "set in motion..."
Although it would've been cool to see Obi-Wan deflecting some laser blasts with his lightsaber... 
I think Obi-Wan could have taken out Vader, just not the Emperor.
Vader had it in the bag...he became wise after his last loss and surpassed Obi Wan
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Master_Starwalker
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They were roughly on par. Vader couldn't penetrate Kenobi's defenses and Kenobi couldn't find something to exploit in Vader's offense.
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Chancellor_Ewok
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I think there was more going on actually.Remember, Vader turned because he wanted to learn how to control the Midichlorians and create life. Palpatine said he could teach Anakin how to do, which in all likelyhood wasn't true. Obi-wan, on the other hand knew how to retain his consciousness in the Force after death, thanks to the Force ghost of Qui-gonn. I think that when Vader cut down Obi-wan and then heard his voice, Vader realized that Palpaltine had been talking trash and the seeds of doubt were planted in Anakin's mind.
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Arawn_Fenn
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There's no evidence that Vader heard Obi-Wan's voice at that point. In fact, later he refers to "the end of Kenobi", so it seems that he believes Kenobi to have been destroyed.
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Falls_the_Shadow
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Chancellor_Ewok posted:
I think there was more going on actually.Remember, Vader turned because he wanted to learn how to control the Midichlorians and create life. Palpatine said he could teach Anakin how to do, which in all likelyhood wasn't true. Obi-wan, on the other hand knew how to retain his consciousness in the Force after death, thanks to the Force ghost of Qui-gonn. I think that when Vader cut down Obi-wan and then heard his voice, Vader realized that Palpaltine had been talking trash and the seeds of doubt were planted in Anakin's mind.
I never considered that the Obi-Wan voiceover was anything but a private message for Luke only. It is a theory to consider.
To me, Kenobi willingly atones for his failure to deliver the coup de grâce on Mustafar.
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How could Vader have possibly been out of shape? He fought the battles with his troops all those years, leading them even. Not to mention his other smaller missions which ended in fierce duels. If that wasn't the case, he'd of had a hard time blocking blaster bolts from Han Solo and beating Luke in ESB (when Luke wasn't fighting with anger). Obi-Wan was out of practice as far as we know, although he was very strong in the force. Vader would have probably beat him because there was not just anger behind his battling, but 20 years of it, lol. But one thing people never seem to take into account with Darth Vader - inside there was a flicker of light, Anakin imprisoned by the dark side. While Anakin was heavily submerged by Vader, nearly vanquished, when another Jedi was around - any Jedi and especially Obi-Wan (or Luke once Anakin knew it was his son), I would imagine that the imprisoned Anakin's flicker would spark just a little bit more and necessarily pierce him with a bit of conflict. So from that angle, it is altogether possible that Obi-Wan could have defeated Vader because that flicker of light inside did not want to kill Obi-Wan, it wanted to kill Vader. Thus, Obi-Wan couldn't have killed him, but he could have defeated him (due to the prophecy). We could ignore that and say that Vader was in full control - but that doesn't make any sense because if that were the case, there would have been no flicker there for Luke to find in ROTJ.
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