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Grand_Moff_Jawa
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10/19/07 4:34pm
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The X-Wings were being used to cover the escaping larger ships. Escorts, ya know. They only had to delay the AT-AT's. They knew they'd never stop them. If they thought they could stop the Empire from invading, they wouldn't have left Hoth.
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RoboMan
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10/19/07 5:55pm
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Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
The X-Wings were being used to cover the escaping larger ships. Escorts, ya know. They only had to delay the AT-AT's. They knew they'd never stop them. If they thought they could stop the Empire from invading, they wouldn't have left Hoth.
But not Lukes. It was just sitting there all buy its lonesome doing absolutely nothing. He could have given the Empire a really good bloody nose if he would have just stayed out of snow speeder. Or...Maybe he was afraid of it getting some battle damage and then not being able to make his trip to Dagobah.
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Darth_Falcon
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10/20/07 12:07am
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RoboMan posted:
Grand_Moff_Jawa posted:
The X-Wings were being used to cover the escaping larger ships. Escorts, ya know. They only had to delay the AT-AT's. They knew they'd never stop them. If they thought they could stop the Empire from invading, they wouldn't have left Hoth.
But not Lukes. It was just sitting there all buy its lonesome doing absolutely nothing. He could have given the Empire a really good bloody nose if he would have just stayed out of snow speeder. Or...Maybe he was afraid of it getting some battle damage and then not being able to make his trip to Dagobah.
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Luke and the remaining Rogues do escort the last few Transports. Also, the X-Wings were too valuable to lose, the Speeders could handle the Imperials for long enough to evacuate.
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DarthSticky
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10/20/07 4:53am
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RoboMan posted:
So why didn't Luke and Wedge use their X-Wings (4 laser cannons and 2 proton torpedoes PLUS DEFLECTOR SHIELDS)???
Someone who has all the technical data books can weigh in if I am off base here, but it was always my impression that the X-Wings were designed for space combat and not for combat operations in a planet's atmosphere. The speeders are just the opposite. Control surfaces that provide serious maneuverability in the vacuum of space would not work the same in an atmosphere and vice versa...
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VadersLaMent
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Snowspeeders = repulsorlift, Xwings = repulsorlift. I think Xwings would have been just fine, call it a hole, call it a need for a new ship to make drama. Suspension of disbelief might be the one line where the officer makes a comment about adapting the speeders to the cold. However advanced your tech, you still have to adapt to conditions. Though power is an easy thing to come by in a GFFA you might as well use the smaller speeders for planet patrol and keep the Xwings on standby. The alarms go off and the speeders are ready for combat then send them out while the Xwings run escort offworld.
They wanted off the planet, they were not making a last stand, so save the Xwings as a more expensive asset and send the speeders to hold off the bad guys.
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Sidious-3
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10/21/07 5:56am
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DarthSticky posted:
Someone who has all the technical data books can weigh in if I am off base here, but it was always my impression that the X-Wings were designed for space combat and not for combat operations in a planet's atmosphere. The speeders are just the opposite. Control surfaces that provide serious maneuverability in the vacuum of space would not work the same in an atmosphere and vice versa...
I have to agree here. X-wings were made mostly for space combat, not only that but they don't funtion well in snow environments. That is where the speeders come in, they are made to work in snowy environments, hence the reason they have speeders fighting and not X-wings. Also the speeder's grapple cable makes it easier and quicker to disable and AT-AT, rather than firing torpedos at it for an hour.
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sith_rising
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The tow cables are ridiculously long, like half a mile long if you watch how many times Wedge circles the gigantic AT-AT.
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VadersLaMent
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Sidious-3 posted:
DarthSticky posted:
Someone who has all the technical data books can weigh in if I am off base here, but it was always my impression that the X-Wings were designed for space combat and not for combat operations in a planet's atmosphere. The speeders are just the opposite. Control surfaces that provide serious maneuverability in the vacuum of space would not work the same in an atmosphere and vice versa...
I have to agree here. X-wings were made mostly for space combat, not only that but they don't funtion well in snow environments. That is where the speeders come in, they are made to work in snowy environments, hence the reason they have speeders fighting and not X-wings. Also the speeder's grapple cable makes it easier and quicker to disable and AT-AT, rather than firing torpedos at it for an hour.
You saw the destruction released by a volley or two from Xwings on the large surface turrents of the DS in ANH? I don't have to look up anyone's calculations to see that the walkers would have been annihilated quickly by Xwings.
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timmoishere
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The X-wings might have destroyed the walkers, but that wouldn't have solved the problem. The goal was to get the transports off Hoth, not to destroy the walkers.
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RoboMan
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timmoishere posted:
The X-wings might have destroyed the walkers, but that wouldn't have solved the problem. The goal was to get the transports off Hoth, not to destroy the walkers.
Yeh... But a couple of x-wings would have brought the ground assault to a complete standstill. Hence the Shield Generator would have stayed up a lot longer with a more ORDERLY evac from the transports and their escorts. And no Han and Leia running around Hoth base in circles looking for a exit. Plus the special effects of the x-wings pummeling the Walkers would have been BRUTAL. 
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Cloudreaper
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I always thought it would've been cool to see a bunch of dots on the horizon, closing in on the walkers until you can make them out to be a bunch of ground-hugging Y-Wings that launch a torpedo barrage at the broadsides of the walkers...
As others have pointed out, there's really no great explanation as to why the Rebels didn't put a bit more 'oomph' into their defense. Taking down the walkers would've bought them more time. I don't buy the whole 'can't operate well in atmosphere' as the movies demonstrate that the X and Y-Wings can operate in the atmosphere, that while they may not be as nimble as they can be in space, they're capable of descending and landing under control (well, the only landing we actually witness is not really under control, but Luke was completely under the assumption he should've been able to land. And both fighters can do nap-of-earth flying under gravity situations as evident by the Death Star attack. Finally, it will take a lot to convince me that space-capable craft would have problems with the cold (now, if you want to tell me it's cold moisture/icing/wind gusts, etc, I'll buy it and perhaps 'the cold' implies all that).
Maybe the shields over the base would've caused problems for higher flying aircraft. Or it's simply that the Rebels were really just that keen on simply running away and figured that the more resistance they put up, the more the Empire would throw at them, so it was better to put up just enough of a defense to slow the Imperials down a bit without forcing them to up the ante. For the Rebels, the 'Battle of Hoth' was really not much more than a holding action anyway and that's why as much as I like Veers as a character and like the way the battle looks in the movie, I always laugh when background data promotes it as a brilliant victory for General Veers... Jar Jar probably would've 'won' the battle with a small tribe of Ewoks.
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Alpha-Red
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10/23/07 11:24am
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If I had to guess it'd be that the X-wings shouldn't be wasting fuel fighting on Hoth when they're being prepared for deep space sorties. That being said though, there shouldn't be a whole lot of reason why the Rebels didn't use some sort of ground-based proton torpedo launchers or whatever. Or ion cannons....they worked great against the Star Destroyers, so might as well see if a smaller version can be pointed at those AT-AT's.
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nobeazer
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11/6/07 7:39pm
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I beleive they have sheilds.And on Geonosis the rocket hit the cockpit where the clone pilot was and the armor was weak there. 
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Grand_Moff_Jawa
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11/6/07 9:51pm
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They can't have shields or the harpoon and tow cables would have bounced off of them. The snowspeeders wouldn't have been able to topple them.
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Dark Lady Mara
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Yup, and twenty years later they still hadn't thought to fix that vulnerability. 
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