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So, the Imperial Walkers have shields, right?
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Arawn_Fenn
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11/16/07 11:27am
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RE: So, the Imperial Walkers have shields, right?
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They did have to drop it at the edge of the shield.
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Darth_Drachonus
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11/21/07 2:58pm
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VadersLaMent posted:
This has come up before, and I went ahead then and looked at the scene one frame at a time. The two shots let loose by the speeder never touch the neck. The blasts hit the head, and what would be the forward top plate if it were still standing.
AT-AT's are walking what? TANKS. Going by what we know of tanks: Armour on the sides, front, and back are super thick, it takes HE (High Explosives) to penetrate, along with armor piercing rounds (and I'm not talking rifle fired versions) Now, tanks have *two* weak points: the top, and the belly. In normal tank to tank combat, you're not gonna have projectiles coming through the top, or the belly of the tank. Always the front, rear, or side. Luke's saber cut through the belly of the AT-AT: Similarity? I think so. The speeder's shots penetrate the top of the AT-AT: Again, very similar to how real world tank armor functions. Look at the United States' 'tank busters' the A-10s. Their bombs hit from the top, the 30mm GAU-8 cannon that the plane was built around penetrates from the top. Now, on the reverse side: land mines..aimed upward at the 'soft' underbelly and treads of a tank. There's your explaination: No shields, just heavy armor everywhere cept the top and the belly.
P.S: VadersLaMent: I'm not singling you out, it's just your post offered opportune chance to explain 
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sith_rising
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11/21/07 9:41pm
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Can't win either way.
If they're just armored, that doesn't explain why, suddenly, it falls over and becomes weak. And if the tops are unarmored, why dont the speeders just dive straight down or attack at better angles? And it also doesn't explain why there are dozens of "shield flashes" going off all around the walkers that look exactly like the deflector shield flashes we see around the Falcon, etc. I don't buy the "it's burning metal" because we clearly see Luke's speeder hit directly above the walker, and it most definately strikes something. And don't say that his laser bolts dissipated in 100 meters.
And if they have deflector shield, that doesn't explain Luke's "that armor's too strong for blasters" line, nor does it explain how the tow cable was able to make contact. It just seems to me that the Empire would use some type of deflectors to repel impact weapons like missles, seeing how easily one rocket completely obliterated a slow, lumbering walker in AOTC. An AT-AT is a huge, slow target, and if it were vulnerable to missles, the Rebels were extremely stupid to stand there and fire small arms at them, when a few teams with RPG-type guided weapons, buried out in the flow along the ridge, could have ended the whole conflict almost effortlessly.
Of course, it doesn't make sense that the Empire would even use the walkers. The Turbo Tank from ROTS was much faster, more stable, could take more abuse, can probably carry more infantry, and would have been on top of Echo Base in record time. It even had superior forward armaments. Maybe Vader's fleet didn't have any, and they didn't have time to stand around and wait for a shipment...
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Spike2002
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11/22/07 10:41am
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sith_rising posted:
Of course, it doesn't make sense that the Empire would even use the walkers. The Turbo Tank from ROTS was much faster, more stable, could take more abuse, can probably carry more infantry, and would have been on top of Echo Base in record time. It even had superior forward armaments. Maybe Vader's fleet didn't have any, and they didn't have time to stand around and wait for a shipment...
The Turbo Tanks (Juggernaughts) were considered obsolete at the time of the Battle of Hoth (Essential Guides)
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DarthBoba
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11/26/07 9:07am
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
They did have to drop it at the edge of the shield.
Yeah, but they're not always gonna have to do that-Not every Rebel base is gonna have shields over it.
And if there's a pitched battle going out without shield support for the enemy, well, say hello to..Mr. AT-AT landing on your front doorstep. 
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galaxie_gal89
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11/26/07 12:37pm
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i dont think there was any
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DS615
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12/14/07 7:43pm
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Darth_Drachonus posted:
AT-AT's are walking what? TANKS. Going by what we know of tanks: Armour on the sides, front, and back are super thick, it takes HE (High Explosives) to penetrate, along with armor piercing rounds (and I'm not talking rifle fired versions)
AT-AT's are not tanks. All Terrain Armored Transports, AT-ATs are APCs.
And HE rounds do nothing to armor, that's why shaped charges are used.
I say thay have both shields and armor. The tipped one loses it's shields. Luke's line is completely irrelivant. He's a Moisture Farmer, an AT-AT looks armored so that's what he says, that's all the meaning that line has to it.
And sure the Juggernaughts were neat, but what would they do on a world without roads or vast open spaces? Get stuck, that's what. Then you'd wish you brough the thing with legs, wouldn't you?
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jedibri
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12/15/07 7:32am
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At no point did a captin or anyone eles say word one about switching the shield to the front or rear. I think they just looked so huge it was assumed there was no real good way to take them out.
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JF_052
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Dark Lady Mara posted:
Well, if you want to get technical, it does seem kind of dumb that people who have access to repulsorlift technology would still be designing anything with legs unless there were some substantial advantage to it. I'm not sure if there is one or not. Speed, definitely not.
Essential Guide to Vehicles and Vessels posted:
While the Empire had countless repulsorlift vehicles, drive systems could be foiled by gravity fluctuations, unusaul planetary magnetic fields, and other special conditions.
The guide also notes its heavy armor, but makes no reference to shields. There's no shield projector or generator on the diagram either.
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sith_rising
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Imperial money would definately be better spent on something similar to the Trade Federation's AAT. Sure it can't take as much abuse, and holds a lot less troops, but it's fast, can strafe sideways, and has a powerful turret that can cover it's sides and rear. It's also got bunker-buster torpedoes, and is shaped to run down and destroy fortifications.
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All-Terrain may be the operative part here. Remember how the Rebels had trouble adapting the speeders to the cold? There must certainly be environments where repulsorlifts will not be totally reliable. Just imagine going into a large ground assault and having the blue screen of death come up on the repulsorlift systems control panel.
It is well known that one of the Emperor's biggest mistakes was that corporate license with Microsoft for designing Imperial operating systems.
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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Armor. It says that in all of the books I've read. Plus, the armor is so strong that there is really no need for shields because there is enough protection.
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Strong armor is nice....but what does an AT-AT's armor have over a starship's? If you can mount shield generators on a Lancer-class Frigate, why not an AT-AT? Also, you say that the armor is sufficient protection--that may have been the case at Hoth, but what if the Rebels had jury-rigged their speeders to fire proton torpedoes? General Veers's career would have been over in a split second, followed by his life.
So maybe the AT-AT is primarily a psychological weapon used to scare the crap out of defenseless populations. Well it's sure a lot of money poured down the drain to design the walkers, not to mention the fact that the Imperials had to procure a specially designed transport to ship these things down a gravity well.
Don't get me wrong the AT-AT's looked great on-screen, but there's just no way they could be effective against a well-equipped opponent.
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acmilanboy
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Could the AT-AT provide enough power to move, fire weapons and run shield generators? If not, it could be understandable why they aren't shielded...
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DarthBoba
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To Alpha:
Sure, the Rebels could've jury-rigged their speeders to fire proton torpedos (maybe.) But then, there aren't any ground vehicles that can take that sort of punishment, probably.
And look how friggin far out the AT-ATs are able to fire on the shield generators:
"Distance to generators?"-Veers
"One-seven decimal two-eight."-driver
17.28 kilometers. AT-ATs are field artillery being employed rather novelly here; they're the descendants of the giant walkers in AOTC that took down the Trade Federation core ships.
The Empire does indeed have better vehicles-Juggernauts come to mind. But for this mission and this terrain, AT-ATs did a beautiful job, without air cover and with minimal casualties for a strike force of five vehicles.
Also: Look at how the AT-ATs are positioned in relation to another: they move in a wedge-shaped formation, with each AT-AT positioned diagonally on straight lines from the lead AT-AT. This makes for interlocking fields of fire (each AT-AT can turn it's head 90 degrees to each side, as well as up & down to some extent) which makes for a head-on attack like the Rebels used suicidally lethal. Charging across an open plain at vehicles that can shoot at you from seventeen kilometers out is not smart tactics, guys. Not to mention that with the AT-ATs are AT-STs, which can swivel their head a full 360 degrees and therefore don't have to worry about which angle the bad guys are coming from.
Basically, the AT-AT's "weaknesses" are more than compensated for by Imperial tactics.
Note that ONE vehicle was taken down by the cable trick; nobody else even got close enough to attempt to do this. The other was taken down by Luke's trusty lightsabre.
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