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DarkStarkiller
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this has proabably been asked before, but: does Return of the Jedi mean the return of the Jedi itself, or the return of Anakin back to the light side AKA a reborn Jedi ?
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Master_Starwalker
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The Jedi, Anakin, and Luke.
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timmoishere
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It could refer to all three, but I'm more inclined to think it refers to Anakin.
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jedimasterbac
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It originally referred to Luke returning and becoming a Jedi, I believe. Now, in light of the prequels, it also refers to the return of the Jedi Order and the return of Anakin Skywalker.
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Darth_Davi
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It was originally titled REVENGE of the Jedi, but, Lucas changed it for two reasons, first, he didn't think revenge was something Jedis ought to be seeking, and two, Star Trek:The Wrath of Khan was out, and George didn't want the titles to sound similar, with the Wrath/Revenge thing. So, having changed it to Return, you have to look at the film and ask, who or what is returning? The answer is obviously the return of Anakin Skywalker. Its the entire theme of Luke's storyline. Even without taking any of the EU or PT into account, and just looking at the Original Trilogy material, this is quite obvious. After finding out that Darth Vader is his father, Anakin Skywalker, Luke decides that Anakin can be redeemed, and spends the entire last 30 minutes of the movie trying to accomplish that. The entire theme of ROTJ is that of redemption, of having the strength of character to do what is right, despite a lifetime spent doing what is wrong. Given that overarching storyline within the film, the title, Return of the Jedi, is a clear reference to the return of Anakin Skywalker/casting away of Darth Vader. The closing shot of Anakin's ghost standing next to Obi-Wan and Yoda seems to emphasize this.
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jedimasterbac
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Darth_Davi posted:
It was originally titled REVENGE of the Jedi, but, Lucas changed it for two reasons, first, he didn't think revenge was something Jedis ought to be seeking, and two, Star Trek:The Wrath of Khan was out, and George didn't want the titles to sound similar, with the Wrath/Revenge thing.
You are mostly right, but it was because the film was originally titled the Vengeance of Khan and Lucas didn't want a Vengeance/Revenge thing with Star Trek and Star Wars at the same time.
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I always thought of it as the return of the Order. Luke and Leia being the first in the new file of Jedi. It is intriguing to consider it may be talking about Anakin's reconversion to the Light. Very astute observation. 
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Grand_Moff_Jawa
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Ask this question of 10 fans and you will get 10 different answers.
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Master_Starwalker
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jedimasterbac posted:
It originally referred to Luke returning and becoming a Jedi, I believe. Now, in light of the prequels, it also refers to the return of the Jedi Order and the return of Anakin Skywalker.
It was definitely only referring to Luke originally.
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DarkStarkiller posted:
this has proabably been asked before, but: does Return of the Jedi mean the return of the Jedi itself, or the return of Anakin back to the light side AKA a reborn Jedi ?
Interesting that I proposed the same answer as one of the above posters: Return of the Jedi referred to Anakin, because Anakin destroyed Vader and Sidious, he was a fully trained Jedi Knight. Luke wasn't. He knew what he needed to know to survive long enough to try to convert Anakin again. Just my observation is all
Edit: Spelling mistakes
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LordVader66
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I thought it was fairly obvious that it meant Luke leading the return of the Jedi.
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skyysoblue
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My 8 year old son, who only knows star wars based upon seeing them in order (1-6) told me what the title meant....
it meant the return of the jedi Anakin
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Grand_Moff_Jawa
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Let's forget the PT exists for a moment. Turn your mind-clocks back to 1983. The title was most DEFINITELY referring to Luke, as there were NO other Jedi in existence (after Yoda croaked). Luke was the beginning of the Jedi's return. Anakin was dead, which hardly qualifies you as Jedi material. Jedi don't fight from beyond the grave, right? Therefore, the Jedi of note was completely and ONLY Luke. That doesn't change just because the PT came into existence 20-something years later, people.
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Master_Starwalker
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I've got to clarify my answer. In 1982 or 83 when Lucas came up with the Return of the Jedi title it was definitely referring solely to Luke. In the current context of the Saga it could be read into to refer to Anakin and the Jedi Order as well, though less directly.
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Grand_Moff_Jawa
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How can a movie from 1983 refer to a set of movies made 16+ years later? Yeah, it's nice to think the Jedi was both Luke and Anakin, but Anakin died very shortly after renouncing his Sith ways. If he was a Jedi again automatically, which I don't agree with, then his return was a very short one indeed.
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Master_Starwalker
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I think it only can with a severe amount of retconning, which I am admittedly desensitized to now with fiction.
Edit: It's like how "You will go to the Dagobah System. There you will find Yoda, the Jedi Master who instructed me." has been retconned to Obi-Wan meaning the Jedi who taught him as a Youngling rather than the man who was his master and "I took it upon myself to train him." has been retconned into fulfilling his promise to his dead master. Basically grasping at straws to make it seem more unified than it really is.
Edit 2: But yeah, if one decides to not grasp at the straws supplied by Lucasfilm it's Luke.
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