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Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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DarthZchour
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11/20/07 7:24am
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Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I was thinking, If Obi-Wan had raised Luke, he would've started his Jedi training at a much earlier (and appropriate) age. He still wouldn't have had to tell Luke who his father was; in fact, Obi-Wan could've pretended to be his father. (The drama of Vader's revelation would still be strong, as far as story is concerned.)
ANYway, by the time of ANH, Luke would have been pretty strong already and probably able to defeat Vader by then. Obi-Wan, as tough a Jedi as he was, would've trained him quite well and Luke wouldn't have had 20 years to develop the unhindered emotions and attachments that attributed to Anakin's downfall.
I would assume that Obi-Wan and Yoda would have taken that into consideration. As far as "he should be raised by his family" is concerned, the Lars' aren't his family by more than marriage. I think that the wise choice would've been for Obi-Wan to raise Luke and start training him ASAP. I suppose Yoda could've trained Leia as well, but I'd hate for her clothes to get all muddy.
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General Kenobi
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11/20/07 7:51am
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I know this has been discussed, but I can't find the thread in the Index.
Anyhow, I think the main reason people believe Obi-Wan didn't train Luke as he grew up was that it would create a disturbance in the Force strong enough to alert Vader and Palpatine to their presence.
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Darth_Davi
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11/20/07 9:48am
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That is the only logical explanation I can think of...I used to believe that it was because Owen and Beru were still family, and that Obi-Wan felt Luke should be raised by his family, but, then I realized that the entire Jedi Order were raised without their families. Why would Obi-Wan be overly concerned about Luke being raised by family, when every Jedi is taken at a young age, separated from their families, to be trained? Obi-Wan would have inherently understood that not being raised by family is commonplace for Jedi. So, there had to be a different reason to do it, and I think that it might have tipped the Emperor and Vader off is as good a reason that I can come up with...
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Shrapnel
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11/20/07 9:54am
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What General Kenobi said.
I would add that if Vader would have found Ben, Luke being apart would still be safe.
Also, I believe that at that time, Ben wanted more to defeat the Sith than to see Luke becoming a something else than a weapon for him. Had he raised him, he might have become "emotionaly" attached to him, since it's forbidden in Jedi Code
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darth_gersh
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Obi-Wan and Yoda also had lots of training to do.
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From the ROTS novel:
"We should split them up," Obi-Wan said. "Even if the Sith find one, the other may survive. I can take the boy, Master Yoda, and you take the girl. We can hide them away, keep them safe--train them as Anakin should have been trained..."
"No." The ancient Master lowered his head again, closing his eyes, resting his chin on his hands that were folded over the head of his stick.
Obi-Wan looked uncertain. "But how are they to learn the self-discipline a Jedi needs? How are they to master the skills of the Force?"
"Jedi training, the sole source of self-discipline is not. When right the time is for skills to be taught, to us the living Force will bring them. Until then, wait we will, and watch, and learn."
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DarthZchour
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Hmmm. OK, I suppose Vader and Palpatine would have felt a disturbance in the Force with Luke's training no matter where or when it began. So if he had begun training at age 4, say, he would have been more vulnerable than if he was caught by Vader at 20.
But still, it seems to open up the possibility of Luke developing attachments and risking the same fate as his father with his emotional development. I wonder if it would've made sense for Obi-Wan to at lease raise him as a jedi (to cut out the emotion aspect) and keep the training to a minimal for a while until the time is right to start training heavily.
Besides, wouldn't Obi-Wan had felt a disturbance himself if Vader and/or Palpatine had begun to catch on? It just seems like there's a lot of wasted time watching this kid grow up to be a whiny baby instead of molding him into something more productive
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DarthButt
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General Kenobi posted:
Anyhow, I think the main reason people believe Obi-Wan didn't train Luke as he grew up was that it would create a disturbance in the Force strong enough to alert Vader and Palpatine to their presence.
That, and if word got back of Obi-Wan's where-abouts, they would have found them both, instead of just Obi-Wan.
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battlewars
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I was looking for a good reason in ROTS, in fact any reason that Obi Wan should in fact train Luke instead of waiting.
I found none, which helped lead me to the conclusion that Lucas never had any of this 'Tragedy of Darth Vader' planned in the fist place, and didn't even bother to make up a reason for it 28 years after the fact.
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Tzvi
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11/25/07 1:03pm
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In ROTJ Obi says that he thought he can train Anakin and was wrong. After having to see his pupil turn to evil followed by having to dismember the same pupil, maybe Obi-Wan didn't think he was a good teacher.
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Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
Two words : No boobs.  When he delivered Luke to Beru, Luke was only days or so old.
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JAYARE
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Because he was probably traumatized by his spoiled fathers behavior, lol.
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Master_Starwalker
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11/28/07 11:43pm
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I think Ben didn't feel he was ready to teach someone after his experience with Anakin, however his training with Qui-Gon in his solitude restored Ben's confidence and by the time the Force brought Luke to him he was ready to take another apprentice and once again be Obi-Wan Kenobi rather than just Old Ben.
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DarthLassic007
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11/29/07 12:03am
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Ben probably felt that Vader and the Empire would eventually try to hunt Ben down. He didn't want Luke to be in danger. It's bad enough that they didn't even change Luke's last name. He could have been called Luke Lars at the beginning of Episode IV and then find out his real name either in Ben's hut or after the death of Owen and Beru.
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battlewars
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11/29/07 8:25pm
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Seriously Lucas should've explained this, I had been waiting for years to know exactly why things got to be the way they were in the OT and I feel kind of short changed on this and a couple of other details.
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Arawn_Fenn
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11/30/07 12:38pm
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I think the answers given in this thread make a lot of sense.
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