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Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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battlewars
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Date Posted:
12/22/07 2:31pm
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RE: Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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Sorry I don't agree, we are told what happened but not why.
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CannibalFoodfight
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Date Posted:
12/23/07 6:06am
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RE: Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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And don't forget Leia saying she remembers her mother in RotJ! What the ****?
GK edit: Gotta star it all out.
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General Kenobi
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12/23/07 7:50am
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I think Obi-Wan's explanation to Luke in ROTJ covers it. Anakin's offspring would be a threat to the Emperor, therefore they were separated and hidden from him.
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TwiLekJedi
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12/23/07 9:13am
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battlewars posted:
Sorry I don't agree, we are told what happened but not why.
to protect him/them from discovery. why else? What new reason could RotS (or any other material, really) have possibly given us? Does anything after RotJ give hints that encourage speculation as to any other motive?
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12/23/07 3:00pm
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RE: Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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TwiLekJedi posted:
though I really think RotJ explains it sufficiently. They hid the kids from the Emperor.
Not just the Emperor, according to ROTJ:
BEN: Hmm. To protect you both from the Emperor, you were hidden from your father when you were born.
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battlewars
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12/24/07 4:52pm
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RE: Why didn't Obi-Wan raise and train Luke?
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We still don't get a real reason why Obi Wan or Yoda don't train either one, or why Obi Wan goes to look after Luke while Yoda goes off to isolation, it just happens.
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TwiLekJedi
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12/25/07 4:42am
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battlewars posted:
We still don't get a real reason why Obi Wan or Yoda don't train either one
Yes, we do.
bw posted:
or why Obi Wan goes to look after Luke while Yoda goes off to isolation, it just happens.
it's not like they could plan all that carefully. The galaxy went to hell in a day or two. Yoda goes to that swampy planet he knows, Obi-Wan goes with one of the children to the planet Anakin hates and Leia is well taken care of with a Queen who has wanted to adopt a girl for a long time.
Why should a movie go into detail about very mundane stuff? This isn't the Mystery of Sifo-Dyas, it's packing their toothbrush for 20 years.
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battlewars
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12/26/07 2:44am
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I wanted something more in depth than Yoda saying 'we shall wait for the Force'. Why dammit why?
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TwiLekJedi
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12/26/07 6:25am
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but why? what's so dissatisfying right now? What is it exactly that you want to know? I don't get it. The events and the danger of the Sith gives plenty of reasons for the result. Anything else only detracts from that and/or is only in-depth for the sake of appearing (but still not actually being) in-depth.
And since the end result did work, they must have done something right, no?
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battlewars
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12/26/07 5:30pm
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I want an explanation, thats not fan supposition, of why Yoda decides to risk Luke gaining attachments after what happened to Anakin. It shouldve been explained in ROTS
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Arawn_Fenn
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12/26/07 8:14pm
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The answer is in the question.
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battlewars
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12/27/07 12:56am
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
The answer is in the question.
Yeah but thats fan supposition which is that the Jedi were destroyed because of the 'no attachment' thing. I've never heard Lucas say that was the reason, nor read any Lucasfilm sponsored novel that says that either, so I don't believe in that theory.
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TwiLekJedi
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12/27/07 7:04am
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If this wasn't a franchise with fans, it would be called "analysis" instead of "fan supposition". As with all analysis, it's there. You don't have to like the first one you come across, but you have to be open to suggestions or make your own. "No, that's rubbish, I want something else" and sticking with it won't get you anywhere... and makes for pretty bad discussion. Especially since you're asking something slightly different each time someone replies.
You're asking Charles Dickens to spell out "Oliver Twist does not die in this chapter, nor in any other" instead of "so Oliver and Nature fought it out with each other".
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battlewars
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12/29/07 2:12am
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I wasn't trying to disrespect he fans by calling it supposition, I am guilty though of changing the question only because I have so many.
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J_Gonn_Jinn
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12/29/07 12:57pm
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DarthZchour posted:
Forgive me if this has been posted before, but I was thinking, If Obi-Wan had raised Luke, he would've started his Jedi training at a much earlier (and appropriate) age. He still wouldn't have had to tell Luke who his father was; in fact, Obi-Wan could've pretended to be his father. (The drama of Vader's revelation would still be strong, as far as story is concerned.)
ANYway, by the time of ANH, Luke would have been pretty strong already and probably able to defeat Vader by then. Obi-Wan, as tough a Jedi as he was, would've trained him quite well and Luke wouldn't have had 20 years to develop the unhindered emotions and attachments that attributed to Anakin's downfall.
I would assume that Obi-Wan and Yoda would have taken that into consideration. As far as "he should be raised by his family" is concerned, the Lars' aren't his family by more than marriage. I think that the wise choice would've been for Obi-Wan to raise Luke and start training him ASAP. I suppose Yoda could've trained Leia as well, but I'd hate for her clothes to get all muddy.
Thoughts?
ANSWER: This wasn't considered when the script was first written in the 70s
Jeez - over analysed tosh
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