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rich-narco
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LordVader66 posted:
I don't know, maybe they got tired of playing the same characters. I know Harrison Ford didn't really want to come back for RotJ. Their acting wasn't amazing or anything, but it's pretty good. There acting is pretty solid compared to the prequel actors for the most part.
thats nostalgia. Acting sucks, so does the direction. Jedi is not great. Worst of the 6 for me.
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Katana_Geldar
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I dunno about Mark or Carrie, but I have noticed that Harrison seemed to be bumbling through the film half-asleep. He only wakes up at the end when he hears that Luke is Leia's brother.
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zombie
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Actually I think Carrie Fisher was getting clean by the time of ROTJ. Things got bad after Star Wars and she really messed herself up; it was ESB that she was a little "out of it" during shooting, supposedly Harrison Ford had to help her through a few of the scenes. There are definitly stories of her being up all night partying and coming to set without sleep; she was staying at Eric Idyle's house and you can imagine the parties that went on there (I think on the DVD she even tells how the Rolling Stones came by one night). She entered re-hab in 1980, but I think she was doing better by the time ROTJ went to camera. You can see some of the lasting damage in that she looks like she's aged nearly ten years since Star Wars, even though I think she was I think younger than Natalie Portman is now. She ended up in re-hab again in 1985 I think though, but I thought I remember that was for alcoholism and not cocain (oiy vey).
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Master_Starwalker
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I think you're right as that's what all the sources I found support.
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I think many people have a problem with the fact that ROTJ is focused mainly on the path of the Skywalker's and Vader's redemption. Personally I have always loved the fact that they scraped the original idea for the Emperor to appear in Episode 9, and I also think it makes the story a lot more meaningful seeing Anakin Skywalker as a jedi spirit. I always felt that it was nice to see Han Solo as a character that is no longer an irresponsible, ego-maniac prick, I think it would be terrible if his character was still juvenile by the end of the trilogy. Thank heavens for the throne room scenens, and Jabba's palace scene's because they make this movie on par with the first two films, I always get annoyed at fans who think this is the weak end of the trilogy, I think the piece of crap formely know as ROTK is a terrrible way to end a terrible trilogy, but it is just my opinion!~ 
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Regarding Carrie's substance abuse: watch From Star Wars to Jedi--she seems clearly out of it during the part when she and Mark are relaxing on the set in Jabba's Palace and talking about the story.
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zombie
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morpha2 posted:
Regarding Carrie's substance abuse: watch From Star Wars to Jedi--she seems clearly out of it during the part when she and Mark are relaxing on the set in Jabba's Palace and talking about the story.
I think she is just goofing around with Mark, not anything drug-induced. She's a bit of a goofball you know.
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Katana_Geldar
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zombie posted:
morpha2 posted:
Regarding Carrie's substance abuse: watch From Star Wars to Jedi--she seems clearly out of it during the part when she and Mark are relaxing on the set in Jabba's Palace and talking about the story.
I think she is just goofing around with Mark, not anything drug-induced. She's a bit of a goofball you know.
Yeah, I heard she had a foodfight in a hotel room with Mark and Harrison and George came in with his wife Marcia.
The worst you can see of Carrie Fisher in SW though, is the Holiday Special. Did someone have a pump?
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Darthbane2007
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zombie posted:
Actually I think Carrie Fisher was getting clean by the time of ROTJ. Things got bad after Star Wars and she really messed herself up; it was ESB that she was a little "out of it" during shooting, supposedly Harrison Ford had to help her through a few of the scenes. There are definitly stories of her being up all night partying and coming to set without sleep; she was staying at Eric Idyle's house and you can imagine the parties that went on there (I think on the DVD she even tells how the Rolling Stones came by one night). She entered re-hab in 1980, but I think she was doing better by the time ROTJ went to camera. You can see some of the lasting damage in that she looks like she's aged nearly ten years since Star Wars, even though I think she was I think younger than Natalie Portman is now. She ended up in re-hab again in 1985 I think though, but I thought I remember that was for alcoholism and not cocain (oiy vey).
About Carrie Fisher being out of it in ESB: I think it was stated somewhere that during filming, somebody held a party where there were quite a few drinks. That's why Carrie, or Harrison, or luke seemed out of it.
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Ford and Fisher's halfass delivery is just one symptom of the general rushed cheapness of the movie, which also gave us an unconvincing ewok battle and a second death star instead of an attack on the capitol. Still, I gotta defend Jedi a little here. For a long time, I and many sullen Gen Xers said that it wasn't serious/grown-up enough, main character X should have died, it shouldn't be so simplistic, the ending is too neat/happy, but then I saw Matrix Revolutions and realized I don't want any of that crap. Jedi rules.
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TaunTaunHerder
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12/6/07 10:35am
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I heard about Carrie Fisher had a drug problem, but I didn't know it was
way back in '82 when ROTJ was filmed. Too bad. She was not bad looking in the OT. Slave Leia costume. White dress on Bespin. Drugs is probably why she becamme manic-depressive. I saw her at C4 in L.A. signing autographs.
Harrison Ford I know wanted Solo to die at some point in the OT. I don't think he was too "high" on being in a movie with the teddy bear-like Ewoks. I wouldn't want to be in a movie with them either. Unless I was some kind of fur trapper. Okay, just kidding aobut that. Ewoks rock. In one of his interviews, Harrison Ford said about ROTJ, something to the effect of "Oh, boy. The movie ends with a teddy bear picnic".
Solo goes from a smuggler who kills Greedo and hanging out with an 8-foot tall space Sasquatch who had his back, to confronting Jabba with all his bounty hunters standing around (in the Special Edition), rescuing Luke on an ice-covered planet, dodging asteroids, and then to having a mushy "Okay. When he comes back, I won't get in the way" jealousy moment with a druggy and then chillin' with intelligent teddy bears at a picnic. Go figure.
Mark Hamill, on the other hand,( and I'm not saying that because he had just one real hand after the Bespin encounter) was good in ROTJ. He was believable. He cared about Vader. So, yeah. Hamill carried the movie.
During the Sarlacc Pit sequence, did anyone else notice the mask of the first Skiff Guard (stuntman) that fell into the pit came off when he hit the side of the pit?
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TaunTaunHerder posted:
During the Sarlacc Pit sequence, did anyone else notice the mask of the first Skiff Guard (stuntman) that fell into the pit came off when he hit the side of the pit?
I've only noticed that on the DVD but now I see it every time.
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Why does Harrison Ford come down on Star Wars for his characters lack of character development, but he came back for a fourth Indiana Jones
Because he's the main character in Indy and a sidekick in SW.
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BaronLandoCalrissian posted:
Still, I gotta defend Jedi a little here. For a long time, I and many sullen Gen Xers said that it wasn't serious/grown-up enough, main character X should have died, it shouldn't be so simplistic, the ending is too neat/happy, but then I saw Matrix Revolutions and realized I don't want any of that crap. Jedi rules.
We're talking polar opposites here. Surely there must be a satisfying midpoint between the insipidity of Jedi and the oppressive dismalness of Revolutions? Why not ROTS-with-a-happy-ending?
Many who criticize ROTJ don't hanker for high body counts, we just wanted the principals to be the living, breathing, suffering human beings they were in TESB. It's a tragic thing to see everyone lobotomized, save for Luke.
Still, for what it's worth, I'd take a mediocre SW film over any of those portentous Matrix flicks.
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Chiodo
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Fair enough, but how exactly do you achieve ROTS-with a happy ending without it feeling totally inappropriate? (see the 1982 version of Blade Runner.)
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