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Do the leading actors in Jedi seem disinterested?
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BaronLandoCalrissian
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Jun '06
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12/9/07 11:56pm
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RE: Do the leading actors in Jedi seem disinterested?
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In a way, the worst scene in Jedi is the rebel briefing. This, along with the ewok village scene, was the last opportunity before the wrap-up starts to allow the characters to interact and breathe a little (as in Empire), and to convey the desperate nature of their situation, and it did neither. As much as the attack on the death star is a re-hash of Star Wars, there is one major difference that is downplayed, maybe for the kids' sake: this time it's really an assassination. The prize is killing the emperor. I think if that scene and most of the ewok village scene were junked after the first cut and re-done (as Lucas did frequently with certain scenes in I,II,III) to emphasize the characters and the urgency hanging over them, the whole movie would've felt the benefit.
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drg4
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12/10/07 8:15am
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RE: Do the leading actors in Jedi seem disinterested?
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Chiodo posted:
Fair enough, but how exactly do you achieve ROTS-with a happy ending without it feeling totally inappropriate? (see the 1982 version of Blade Runner.)
Expose the ROTJ characters to all the frailties and agonies of their forebears, but provide them with the mechanisms to transcend them. This wouldn't require a tonally-aberrant bleakness. We don't need a full helping of Blade Runner's melancholia--just a third of it. The important aim is to make these characters flawed and make them bleed, so that their reconcilement/redemption/apotheosis is earned. Consider:
What if Luke entered the film with the intent to kill his father, rather than redeem him? How much more dramatic if Palpatine actually had a chance of converting the boy, through the lure of righteous indignation? How much more emotionally honest, if Luke only gradually moved into the sphere of grace?
What if Leia had a stake in the family conflict? What if she too was moved to patricide or, better, served as a divine agency to pull her battered, beloved brother from his moral abyss? What if Han were kept out of the picture a little longer, and we got a sense of her loneliness?
What if Vader was more than a golem? What if, as Gary Kurtz suggested, his ROTJ incarnation came to the epiphany that he’d made a mess of his life and sought to redeem himself and his mission (by means of performing a coup against Palpatine)?
Are these arcs inconceivable, in the wake of TESB?
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Eliza_Skywalker
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12/10/07 2:03pm
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Very good suggstions, drg4! That would have been a great plot with more profoundness, even of the characters.
But unnfortunatly Lucas wanted to make a film for kids.
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jedibri
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12/11/07 2:57am
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I thought ROTJ was the best acted film in the OT.
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santovas
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GK edit:
That's not allowed here.
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rich-narco
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12/17/07 1:35am
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eh?
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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12/19/07 7:17am
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RE: Do the leading actors in Jedi seem disinterested?
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I agree with the headline, I didn't really notice it fully until the PT came out.
But if you think about it, in ANH, not many of the actors were woo'd by the concept and thought the movie wouldn't be even 1/3 as big as it was. To alot of them, it was just a job save for Mark and Alec.
Alec loved his part of the old wizard, and Luke was a fresh young energetic actor wanting to make a name for himself. Harrison was a good actor in general, but you can tell they were bored during alot of filming. For instance, alot of the scenes in the MF seemed very dead like they were rehearsing in alligned desk chairs. Also, it was the end of the trilogy, I'm guessing everyone but Mark wanted to get it over with. Harrison didn't even want to be in the third one, he thought Han should die. Even Chewie is taken down alittle in ROTJ. Plus, the acting by Palpataine in ROTJ was pretty good, but teetering on ridiculous.
In the PT, the actors must be alot more interactive seeing as they don't have a set and barely have co-stars because their computer animated. It requires them to do alot more acting.
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