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"And sacrifice Han and Leia?" "If you honor what they fight for.... yes!"
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Joe_Garelli
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12/24/07 9:36pm
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"And sacrifice Han and Leia?" "If you honor what they fight for.... yes!"
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Yoda seems to be ignoring the fact that he let Count Dooku escape in AOTC and allowed the Clone Wars to continue for years instead of simply ignoring the falling pillar and killing Dooku, killing Dooku would have ended that war early on and Palpatine would have been forced to execute Order 66 at that exact moment because of it.
Clearly Yoda made the wrong choice in AOTC is trying to get Luke to remember his mistake earlier, that letting two rebels die would be more acceptable than letting the son of Skywalker get killed or turned to the dark side.
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Darthbane2007
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Joe_Garelli posted:
Yoda seems to be ignoring the fact that he let Count Dooku escape in AOTC and allowed the Clone Wars to continue for years instead of simply ignoring the falling pillar and killing Dooku, killing Dooku would have ended that war early on and Palpatine would have been forced to execute Order 66 at that exact moment because of it.
Clearly Yoda made the wrong choice in AOTC is trying to get Luke to remember his mistake earlier, that letting two rebels die would be more acceptable than letting the son of Skywalker get killed or turned to the dark side.
Yoda is just being a ***** to Luke.
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jedimasterbac
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Yoda ignoring that fact? He's basically telling Luke not to make the same mistake that he did, and that is that if you let your feelings get in the way during an important task then bad things can happen. For Yoda, it was the Clone War. For Luke, it was losing his hand and finding out that Vader was his father earlier than intended.
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Yoda also quit on his fight with Palpatine. Just b/c he got knocked down didn't mean he couldn't have gone back up and kicked Palp's @$$... b/c it appeared to me that's just what he was doing.
Of course... he had to quit or the rest of the movies would never have happened. 
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jedimasterbac posted:
Yoda ignoring that fact? He's basically telling Luke not to make the same mistake that he did, and that is that if you let your feelings get in the way during an important task then bad things can happen. For Yoda, it was the Clone War. For Luke, it was losing his hand and finding out that Vader was his father earlier than intended.
Exactly. Both Mace Windu and Yoda realized that they had made a mistake in not killing Count Dooku when they had the chance. Luke, when he receives the vision, decides to make an impulsive move to save his friends instead of listening to Yoda's advice. Looking back, however, Yoda ends up being wrong. Why? Because eventually the duel made Luke replace his quest for revenge with a burning desire to save his father and bring him back from the Dark Side. But, hindsight is an interesting thing. We can never judge how our actions will affect the future until we've looked back an examined them.
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
The Force does not make you the Energizer Bunny!
Unless you're small, green, and over 800 years old..
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Not even then.
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Darth-Seldon
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There is a major difference.
Anakin Skywalker might have been the key to 'winning' The Clone Wars. "The Chosen One" could not be left for dead...Han and Leia did not have this level of galactic importance.
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Though he was probably right insofar as defeating Dooku then and there might have ended the war. But it would have screwed the galaxy and left them under the rule of the Sith once Sidious put "If the war fails" Plan B into effect.
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Joe_Garelli posted:
Yoda seems to be ignoring the fact that he let Count Dooku escape in AOTC and allowed the Clone Wars to continue for years instead of simply ignoring the falling pillar and killing Dooku, killing Dooku would have ended that war early on and Palpatine would have been forced to execute Order 66 at that exact moment because of it.
Clearly Yoda made the wrong choice in AOTC is trying to get Luke to remember his mistake earlier, that letting two rebels die would be more acceptable than letting the son of Skywalker get killed or turned to the dark side.
What Yoda failed to see was that killing Dooku by then wouldn't have made any difference since PalpSidious is the one playing both sides of the war. Even with Dooku dead, the war will still continue with Palps taking over as leader of the Seperatists and the outcome will be the same as what took place in ROTS. The only difference will be that PalpSidious would have a different apprentice and Anakin won't be alive to impregnate Padme or turn traitor against the Jedi.
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12/28/07 2:17pm
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"If you honor what they for... yes!"
It's simply said. Luke has grown attatched to Leia,Han and Chewie. He senses their in trouble and let's his emotions get in the way of his training. Yoda knows in the end, Luke is the one who will determine the fate of the galaxy by either destroying Vader and the Emporer, or redeeming Vader. Yoda knows if Luke is to leave, there will be a confrontation between him and Vader which could endanger his progress or leave him killed. Basically Yoda is telling him that if Leia and Han are to die, to not let their deaths be in vain.
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Exactly.
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Yoda learned from his mistake.
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DARTHLINK
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Yet he doesn't word it properly.
Basically, this is what he said to Luke from his POV at that moment: Your friends, your best friends in the entire galaxy is about to be killed. Just forget about them.
Had he said: "They would want you to complete your training!",then Luke would probably have reconsidered.
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I don't think anything would make Luke reconsider. Like Aunt Beru said, he just has too much of his father in him.
Luke knows that saving them can interfere with his training, but it doesn't matter to him. In his mind, he can always just pick it up again.
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