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Master_Starwalker
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On Earth, the old system which has run it's course isn't democracy which in its modern form is a relatively recent invention.
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MasterEric
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LordVader66 posted:
By RotJ, Emperor Palpatine is a Sith Master that has done little for the galaxy and amass all political power for himself and turn the Galactic Empire into a war machine. In the pt, he tells Vader that once the Jedi are removed and the Sith control the Republic there will be peace, instead a terrible insurgency developed (Rebellion) and going from the pt to ot, you see from the ot that there is a terrible drain on the galaxy, with everything looking worn and used. Palpatine was head of government for a very long time, and yet seemingly did nothing for the people. He created a huge military and death star to keep people in order, but didn't seemed enlightened in the least. He had palaces on Coruscant and was filthy rich. Why did Palpatine simply amass all power and then sit back and do nothing else? His persona doesn't seem to fit with how we see him as a politican in the pt.
Brutal rulers are almost always bad ones, and especially unpopular ones. Palpatine was evil and didn't care for the people, his sith outlook is inward. What he tells vader is nothing but lies. He was not enlightened in the least when it came to ruling. (or anything else for that matter) His persona in the prequels was all a shame, (simply a means to an end) we see his true persona in the original trilogy.
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Darth-Erevos
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Palpatine is an enlighted, wise leader. His popularity reaches 99% among respectful, lawful citizens of the empire. The criminality rates are almost 0, the political stability is adamant.
Unfortunately our point of view in the OT is the terrorist's view, that want to overthrow him and establish a new corrupted government with the disguise of a democracy with only goal to get rich and do lawless business under the protection of their "supposed" heroism. When Palpatine died, the whole galaxy mourned and cried. Especially those who could foresee the return of the arrogant, suppressive Jedi.
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Darth-Erevos posted:
Unfortunately our point of view in the OT is the terrorist's view
Obi-Wan forgive me for this misquote, but
"Who's the bigger terrorist, the planet-killer or the man who destroys the planet-killer?"
Seriously, had Palps took all those resourse he used to terrorize his subjects (Star Destroyers, Death Stars, AT-ATs, ect.) and pumped it into commerce or education, the galaxy would have been a lot better. The Empire was, it's way, it's own worst enemy. Most of the galaxy was just gonna sit out this war, a lot of it (likely) due to the devastating war that had just finished, historically speaking. To go a thousand years without a galatic-scale war just to having 2 within 30 years is not a good thing. Remember, Palps played BOTH sides of the Clone Wars, thus making him a traitor to the office which he sat (he did engineer his own kidnapping). And the destruction of his reign was the focal point of the second war, which, by the way, he welcomed, as an excuse to tighten his grip.
He did tighten it, and, as Leia predicted, "more systems slipped from his grasp." The use of the Death Star on Alderaan, a peaceful planet that was in no PROVEABLE (to the Empire) way connected to the Rebellion, threw more people into rebellion when they realized that the two sides wouldn't be able to just talk out their differences. Remember, Alderaan was known for art, nerf-meat, and education.
Palpatine and his croonies were the real terrorists, and a bunch of loyalists to the old ways wanted to get him out of office, by any means.
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But that is assuming that only the Empire or the Republic could rule. Palpatine was very busy in the early years - leading to his less than stellar rule and organization. Thus, another power could have taken over; a strong, cohesive group with a tight organization and firm beliefs - that JarJar was not a part of. We only saw one group that fit that bill...the Ewoks.
Suddenly Palpatine doesn't look like such a lousy ruler...
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MasterLuke83
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I think after 30 years of everything "going as planned" Palpatine became grossly overconfident. So much so that he didnt even try hard to turn Luke in ROTJ, he just stated precisely what he was inevitably going to do right in lukes face, taunting him.
Not too surprising since up to that point, Palpatine was always right about his plans and took over the entire galaxy.
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True...and there is the thought running around that Palpatine was not as confident in Vader as he pretended to be (with respect to his not turning from the darkside). Yoda's words in that regard may have come back to haunt him and it is possible he didn't take more time with Luke because he realized that Luke just might side with his father (light or dark) and defeat him. Taking on them both under any circumstances would have "not been as Palpy planned".
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"...We will have civil war, without end!"
The Dark Side thrives on fear and suffering. Peace was never Palpatine's plan. Oppression breeds conflict, and that conflict provides the excuse to tighten control.
So, short answer: Why was Palpatine such a lousy ruler? Because he was evil.
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That's probably why exactly Palpatine fell. He thrived on conflict, suffering and pain.
He loved how the second Galatical war in OT lasted almost two decades. He would have stretched it to two
centuries if he wanted too.
What he underestimated, however, was the strength of the Rebellion and their willpower, and the fact that they had a Jedi in their hands.
Overconfidence, undeestimating, and a plain love for war caused him to fall.
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Darky5K
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LordVader66 posted:
By RotJ, Emperor Palpatine is a Sith Master that has done little for the galaxy and amass all political power for himself and turn the Galactic Empire into a war machine. In the pt, he tells Vader that once the Jedi are removed and the Sith control the Republic there will be peace, instead a terrible insurgency developed (Rebellion) and going from the pt to ot, you see from the ot that there is a terrible drain on the galaxy, with everything looking worn and used. Palpatine was head of government for a very long time, and yet seemingly did nothing for the people. He created a huge military and death star to keep people in order, but didn't seemed enlightened in the least. He had palaces on Coruscant and was filthy rich. Why did Palpatine simply amass all power and then sit back and do nothing else? His persona doesn't seem to fit with how we see him as a politican in the pt.
The Sith don't give a damn about anyone but power. Their POV is if you rule through terrorism and keep people afraid of you, you will have a certain perverse form of order.
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Palpatine lied about wanting to bring peace and order to the galaxy so he would be elected. He just wanted to get elected. He never cared about anything except being in power.
He was a Sith Lord.
Did you expect him to say, "Hey, guess what. I'm an Sith and an evil person and I just want to fulfill my own agenda and rule the galaxy for no one's good except my own. Please elect me." ?
He never would've been elected had he said that.
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Darky5K
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Darth-Erevos posted:
Palpatine is an enlighted, wise leader. His popularity reaches 99% among respectful, lawful citizens of the empire. The criminality rates are almost 0, the political stability is adamant.
Unfortunately our point of view in the OT is the terrorist's view, that want to overthrow him and establish a new corrupted government with the disguise of a democracy with only goal to get rich and do lawless business under the protection of their "supposed" heroism. When Palpatine died, the whole galaxy mourned and cried. Especially those who could foresee the return of the arrogant, suppressive Jedi.
Yeah, Castro had a high approval rating too, so did Hitler, Pol Pot, Stalin, Nero, among others. You do recall Palpatine and the Sith being the center of the corruption in the Senate? Before the Sith infiltrated the government, the Republic was in its Golden Age, peace reigned and there was hardly any wars or evil at all.
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TaunTaunHerder posted:
Palpatine lied about wanting to bring peace and order to the galaxy so he would be elected. He just wanted to get elected. He never cared about anything except being in power.
He was a Sith Lord.
Did you expect him to say, "Hey, guess what. I'm an Sith and an evil person and I just want to fulfill my own agenda and rule the galaxy for no one's good except my own. Please elect me." ?
He never would've been elected had he said that.
The thing is, the Senate, who was filled with senators knwoing who Palpatine was and CIS agents and such before the Clone Wars, were the ones who voted him in. It was a sham election. The Chancellor was never elected by the people, but by the Senate, which was changed by the New Republic.
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Palps was doing it wrong, instead of maintaining empire, he sat on his star-station rotting and pissing himself on his throne.
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(tone it down a little)
he's been on that Death Star a grand total of... a few days at most. He wasn't the GFFA's Lionheart.
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