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Arawn_Fenn
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3/20 3:45pm
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RE: How could Porkins eject?
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the_immolated_one
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3/23 10:55am
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RE: How could Porkins eject?
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CaptainYossarian posted:
It's obvious that there is a breathable atmosphere inside the Death Star but what you don't really get from the movie is that this same breathable atmosphere surrounds the outside of the Death Star like a natural planet and that's why the docking bay in which the Millennium Falcon was grappled into doesn't have a door or whatever.
This atmosphere is generated and held together by a magnetic field and in "Star Wars" the rebel pilot are passing through the edge of the Death Star's atmosphere and the vacuum of space when Red Leader tells them to switch their shields to double front.
If you understand that then it makes sense why Biggs tell Porkins to eject right before Porkins bites down.
I don't know where that idea comes from but it isn't very feasible. Surely they'd need to replenish the atmosphere every time the Death Star moved, unless they could also keep it in place whilst the station went into hyperspace. Having an atmosphere outside the DS also seems a bit pointless considering no one actually goes out on the surface.
The docking bays don't have doors because there's a force field over the entrance. That's why there's a big glowing bit around the edge. The stormtroopers that stand outside the bay as the Falcon enters are wearing special space suits. That's also why the DS announcer says that the bay has to be cleared before the Falcon enters - because they have to turn off the force field and thus the bay will be open to space until the ship is inside (“Clear Bay 327. We are opening the magnetic field”). They then order that all shields are closed after the Falcon is in (“Close all outboard shields”). It's the same principle as the bay that Anakin and Obi-Wan land in aboard the Invisible Hand in ROTS. Anakin takes out the shield which causes the air inside to escape, along with some droids. The big emergency door then slams into place to seal off the bay.
X-wings have an ejection system. Presumably a pilot could eject and then live even in space or Biggs wouldn't have suggested it.
The problem here is you're choosing to disregard this piece of dialogue:
"We're passing through the magnetic field! Switch your deflectors, double-front!"
---Garven "Dave" Dreis
So what is Dave talking about? See he calls it a magnetic field just like the imperial guy called it a magnetic field so is Dave wrong or is the imperial guy wrong? Were the X-Wings and Y-Wings flying through the opening of docking bays? No they weren't, so you're saying Dave is wrong. Are you not?
As for stormtrooper wearing special special space suits? I see a couple stormtroopers hanging around wearing stormtrooper armor that is exactly the same as the stormtroopers wear inside the Death Star except for a small backpack on it. Is that a special space suit? It is a good indication that there is not a breathable atmosphere but maybe they wear it because the air is just thin out there but is still breathable. See Porkins could survive if the air was thin, he just wouldn't want to start jogging.
These issues you have about an outside atmosphere being pointless and it floating away are really just real world points of view and don't apply to Star Wars because Star Wars is a fantasy world. The simple fact of the matter is Garven Dreis says they're passing through the magnetic field when they're far away from any docking bay and in fact never go into a docking bay. So what is the magnetic field?
Well the truth is there is no definite answer from Lucasfilm that I'm aware of. The truth is it could be something that will never be answered because Lucas wasn't all hung up on little details about sci-fi because he was not writing a hard nose sci-fi adventure where every little detail was meant to be scrutinized over and over. No, he was writing a story about people. He was writing a story about corruption and redemption and he wasn't worried about how Porkins was going to live outside his X-Wing. He was showing that the Rebels genuinely cared for each other by showing Biggs in an agonizing state of worry for Porkin's life.
Captain Yossarian, I have noticed time and time again that you have this tendency to give rhyme and reason to every little thing in Star Wars but the truth is Lucas doesn't pay that much attention to every little detail because he focuses more on the human story.
Can I prove there is a breathable atmosphere surrounding the Death Star in "A New Hope". No, I can't. Can you prove to me that the X-Wing has an escape pod?
All I can present to you is this article from Wookieepedia which states that a magnetic field helps contain an atmosphere and since Garven Dreis says they're passing through the magnetic field when they're far away from any docking bays and in fact never go into a docking bay I have come to the conclusion that the Death Star has an atmosphere surrounding it.
Magnetic field
"We're passing through the magnetic field! Switch your deflectors, double-front!"
Garven Dreis
A magnetic field, also called a magnetic shield, magnetic containment field, or magcon for short, was a type of electromagnetic field generated to contain atmosphere or other gaseous substances within a certain space.
Magnetic fields were used throughout the Galaxy to contain the atmosphere in starship hangars, as well as to protect pilots who were forced to abandon their vehicles while in space and did not have the benefit of environmental or vac-rated life-support suits. In addition, magcon fields were used on starships to help shield against the effects of ion storms and other forms of potentially-damaging interstellar radiation.
Both Death Stars had quite large magnetic fields.
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Luke_SW
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Date Posted:
3/24 2:40pm
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maybe he said it in the heat of the moment, seems like a pretty natural thing to say, "get out of there!" , "get away from there!" something to that effect
He didn't want to just sit back and watch him die, because that was sure to happen if he stayed in the X-Wing, and is what happened.
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TaunTaunHerder
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3/24 5:29pm
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morpha2 posted:
C'mon, it's Porkins we're talking about...just imagine the lung capacity!
Seriously though, him ejecting was a fairly stupid suggestion anyway. So he "ejects" and presumably falls safely to the surface of the Death Star--which the Rebels are there to blow up! He'll be space dust one way or another.
Unless he had a hangglider with a jet engine on it to get back to Yavin in time.
If the Ewoks made hanggliders, I'm sure the Rebels could devise a jet-powered hang glider thingy so pilots could eject.
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TwiLekJedi
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then they should have used those for the attack in the first place and drop a thermal detonator down that exhaust port. If X-Wings are too small to be hit, jet-gliders would be too small to even DETECT. Awesome!
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Darthbane2007
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3/25 10:02am
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RE: How could Porkins eject?
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And how would Porkins be saved if he ejected? They only had roughly 30 minutes to approach the death star, drop into the trench, and shoot proton torpedoes into the exhaust shaft. If he had ejected, he'd have to dodge many turbolasers, as well as the TIE fighters. And I highly doubt that the rebel flightsuits were designed to keep a person alive for an extended period of time in the great vacuum of space.
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TaunTaunHerder
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TwiLekJedi posted:
then they should have used those for the attack in the first place and drop a thermal detonator down that exhaust port. If X-Wings are too small to be hit, jet-gliders would be too small to even DETECT. Awesome!
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voodoopuuduu
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All I can present to you is this article from Wookieepedia which states that a magnetic field helps contain an atmosphere and since Garven Dreis says they're passing through the magnetic field when they're far away from any docking bays and in fact never go into a docking bay I have come to the conclusion that the Death Star has an atmosphere surrounding it.
I dont think the Empire valued the lives of the pilots much, so I would say the main purpose of that magnetic shield was to help shield against the effects of ion storms and other forms of potentially-damaging interstellar radiation.
It would also be pretty costly and time consuming to fill up and remove oxygen from the magnetically shielded area each time the Death Star went into hyperspace, just for the very slim chance that one of their pilots would need to eject.
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I think that the flight suit itself extends some sort of force field in case of ejection, but I could be wrong.
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Isn't the more pressing question why the fat guy was named Porkins? What a cruel universe.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Blame Lucas for that one. 
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His nickname was "Belly Runner"
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Jek_Porkins
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Darthbane2007
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But how would Porkins be saved? Who would save him?
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rich-narco
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the wookiepedia thing is pretty lame. A magnetic field surrounds any electrical system - the Death star is a pretty big one ! It would be useful in deflected solar based radiation - otherwise everyone would die!
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Darthbane2007 posted:
But how would Porkins be saved? Who would save him?
The Ewoks would save him if they could. Bar-B-Qued Porkins is one of their favorite delicacies. Along with
Porkins and Beans,
Pulled Porkins Sandwich.
 
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