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General Kenobi
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Date Posted:
3/30 7:58pm
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RE: Obi-Wan's reasons for forfeiting the duel
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Jack, do you remember the scene where Tarkin asks Vader if the homing beacon is secure, and that he's taking an awful risk (letting the Falcon escape to track them to the Rebel base)?
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Darth Dark Helmet
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Date Posted:
3/30 8:11pm
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are you guys kidding? darth vader tried as hard as he could to get the falcon. there where rebels on it and, and girl that knew the death star plans.
Actually, he doesn't. Seems if he really wanted it. He oculd have waited on board for them, or at least near the entry ramp. But, he goes to where he knows Obi-Wan will be and waits there for him.
And with the all of the ranks of Stormtroopers at his command, if he really wanted to keep them there, he would have stationed more then five or six by the Falcon, or sent more then four TIE Fighters after them.
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voodoopuuduu
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General Kenobi posted:
But before that, Vader tells Tarkin: "Escape is not his plan. I must face him, alone".
Vader definitely wasn't planning on letting Obi-Wan leave the Death Star. If he had tried to escape with the Falcon, I bet Vader would have been out in his TIE fighter, along with several squadrons, and not just the four sentry ships.
But that would have defeated the whole purpose of the tracking beacon.
Vader initially sensed that Obi-Wan wasnt planning to leave, but he could have been wrong.
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General Kenobi
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3/31 4:37am
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They were going to let Leia escape with the plans since she was the one who knew where the Rebel Base was. Then they would track the Falcon. Obi-Wan didn't have to be with her to accomplish that.
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voodoopuuduu
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3/31 9:49am
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Yes, for the tracking plan to work, Leia and the pilot would have to escape. The rest would be expendable. The trouble is, the Imperials didnt know who the pilot was. From their point of view before the Falcon took off, Obi-Wan may have been the pilot.
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PhiloJaxon
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Obiwan, assuming that Luke would one day find out Vader was his father, was trying to show Luke that even though this is your dad and they were very good friends, falling to the dark side allowed him to kill Obiwan.
I sure he figured Luke would be faced with the choice someday of which path to follow. But Lukes compasion for his friends is what kept him from falling. Luke cared for Obiwan and say his father kill him. I'm sure when faced with the "join me" Vader line, Obiwan being cut down flashed in Lukes mind.
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Obiwan, assuming that Luke would one day find out Vader was his father, was trying to show Luke that even though this is your dad and they were very good friends, falling to the dark side allowed him to kill Obiwan.
Whew, IMO thats just about one of the lamest excuses for a suicide. 
Basically, they would have had to let Obi-Wan escape if he wanted to, otherwise that tracking beacon plan to find the rebel base, which is their main objective/goal, would not have worked.
Obi-Wan, knowingly or unknowingly, committed an unnecessary act of suicide. (Yes, I know, GL murdered him )
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PhiloJaxon
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well GL did say that he had no use for Obiwan alive anymore ,so i guess thats the only real reason. the rest is open for our imagination i guess.
and i didnt say suicide. he new he was gonna die and go into the force so what if he dragged it out till Luke saw it.
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Darthbane2007
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I think Obi-Wan threw the fight because as others have said, he did all he could and wanted to become one with the force.
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PhiloJaxon posted:
well GL did say that he had no use for Obiwan alive anymore ,so i guess thats the only real reason. the rest is open for our imagination i guess.
and i didnt say suicide. he new he was gonna die and go into the force so what if he dragged it out till Luke saw it.
Then GL said while he was writing ESB, he suddenly declared to himself, 'Darn, I need Obi-Wan, but I've killed him!'
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Actually there were many situations in the rest of the saga that having Obi-Wan alive would have been handy.
For example, like meeting Leia face to face for the first time:
BEN: I have something here for you. Your mother wanted you to have
these when you were old enough, but your step-father wouldn't allow it. He
feared you might follow old Obi-Wan on some damned-fool idealistic
crusade like chasing after your father.
LEIA: What is it?
BEN: Your mothers suicide pills. These are the pills of a Nabooian Queen. Not
as clumsy or as random as a blaster.
BEN: An elegant suicide for a more civilized day. For over a thousand
generations, the Naboo Queens would die over the least bit of upsetting news.
Before the dark times, before the Empire.
LEIA: Err, I think I rather talk about my father. Did you know my father ?
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I have not read this entire thread - this is simply what I think. Sorry for any redundancy.
Obi-Wan was getting "too old for this kind of thing" by the time of ANH. He confronted Vader so that Vader would find and face him, not Luke. He allowed Vader to kill him, where Luke could see this to help cement the notion of Vader as Sith villain in Luke's mind. He didn't want to say, "Your father was a Jedi, who became the Sith Lord, Darth Vader" - didn't want Luke anywhere near Vader, didn't want Vader to learn about Luke too soon.
So, he faces Vader, and keeps him busy just long enough to give the others a clear path to the Millenium Falcon and then, when he sees that Luke is watching, allows Vader to kill him. Vader will believe Obi-Wan is dead, be puzzled by his disappearance, and probably won't have taken any notice of Luke at all. Luke, on his part, will have see confirmed Vader's "Jedi-killer" reputation. And Obi-Wan, prepared by Qui-Gon's tutelage, becomes a Force ghost.
A slick bit of juggling on Obi-Wan's behalf, accomplishing multiple ends. He has one chance to die well, and he makes the most of it.
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FirBholg posted:
I have not read this entire thread - this is simply what I think. Sorry for any redundancy.
Obi-Wan was getting "too old for this kind of thing" by the time of ANH. He confronted Vader so that Vader would find and face him, not Luke. He allowed Vader to kill him, where Luke could see this to help cement the notion of Vader as Sith villain in Luke's mind. He didn't want to say, "Your father was a Jedi, who became the Sith Lord, Darth Vader" - didn't want Luke anywhere near Vader, didn't want Vader to learn about Luke too soon.
So, he faces Vader, and keeps him busy just long enough to give the others a clear path to the Millenium Falcon and then, when he sees that Luke is watching, allows Vader to kill him. Vader will believe Obi-Wan is dead, be puzzled by his disappearance, and probably won't have taken any notice of Luke at all. Luke, on his part, will have see confirmed Vader's "Jedi-killer" reputation. And Obi-Wan, prepared by Qui-Gon's tutelage, becomes a Force ghost.
A slick bit of juggling on Obi-Wan's behalf, accomplishing multiple ends. He has one chance to die well, and he makes the most of it.
This is pretty much how I see it as well. The important thing wasn't creating a diversion. Kenobi does accomplish that but more importantly seeing Obi-Wan give himself fully to the Force and to be cut down by Vader galvanized his own determination to be a Jedi. Had Obi-Wan not sacrificed himself, Luke might never have understood or wanted to defeat Vader and the Empire the way he did. From the moment Obi-Wan dies we know that Luke will be a Jedi Knight
Sadly for Obi-Wan, it was this duel and his plan to lose it that was the moment he might have been waiting for all those years on Tatooine.
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Plus Obi-Wan was consumed by his guilt of having 'failed Anakin' - that got cut from the script, but it is novelized and said earlier of course. But somehow I got the feeling that Vader killing him would do away with all of the guilt he'd been carrying around - as if Obi-Wan felt he deserved such an end - even though he totally tried to separate Vader and Anakin in his mind - he never quite could as I saw it.
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