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Knight_AlSidre
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Mar '08
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4/3 6:07am
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RE: Vader's suit -- Was Palpatine trying to keep Vader weak on purpose?
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Maybe the fact that he did not clone himself new limbs was because of the guilt felt. He felt that he deserved everything that had happened to him, because he failed the ones he loved, especially Padme. So he would welcome the pain as a way to repent for his sins and as a reminder what had brought him here.
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Nichtganz
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4/3 7:55am
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Hasnt Palps heard of Kolto? really does work wonders.
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TwiLekJedi
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4/3 7:59am
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he might actually not have, because Kolto had been outdated at that point for centuries and replaced by the much better Bacta
which still couldn't work wonders - actually, I'd assume some Bacta was involved in keeping Vader alive after the burning, but perhaps not enough...
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Arawn_Fenn
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I would have assumed that as well ( too bad we didn't see it in the film ). I find bacta's absence from all of the films in the saga other than TESB somewhat shocking.
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dreamshell
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4/7 6:20pm
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Darth_Davi posted:
Darth Vader, as the black suited monster, is far more terrifying than Anakin Skywalker is.
Kinda how Batman is more terrifying than Bruce Wayne. 
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Further, a lot of people in the Republic/Empire would recognize Anakin's face...Sure, Yoda and Kenobi knew that Anakin became a Sith named Darth Vader, but, how many other people outside of Palpatine's Inner Circle would know that? Perhaps they kept the suit to hide Darth Vader's true identity.
This I'm unsure about. After all, couldn't Palpatine and his lackeys just have spun it that Anakin was the sole Jedi to remain loyal to the Republic? In that case, his reputation as a hero of the Republic (and now the Empire) could've actually been increased.
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Lastly, I can see a psychological reason why even if he could have a normal body again, why Darth Vader might have chosen to keep the suit, even if he hated it. He had nothing left, as Anakin Skywalker. As Anakin Skywalker, mother was dead, his wife and child were dead (as far as he knew) by his own hands...the hands of Anakin Skywalker. The Jedi were dead, again, by the hands of Anakin Skywalker. Even though he had taken the name Darth Vader, prior to Mustafar, he would still have associated the face in the mirror as Anakin...Everything he held close to him as Anakin Skywalker was gone. By keeping the suit, as Darth Vader, he didn't face the constant reminders of who he used to be. Darth Vader didn't lose his family, Anakin did. As long as he is inside that demonic black suit, he doesn't have to fully accept the losses he incurred as Anakin.
This seems likely more or less, but even before the damage done to him on Mustafar, Anakin was hopelessly enslaved to Palpatine and his manipulations. While putting him in the Vader suit may not have been the plan the Emperor had in mind (some could argue it was), it definitely falls in line with Palpatine's approach to handling Anakin. Somehow, I don't see Palps as being very concerned about maintaining the Rule of Two.
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voodoopuuduu
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
I would have assumed that as well ( too bad we didn't see it in the film ). I find bacta's absence from all of the films in the saga other than TESB somewhat shocking.
I agree. Bacta is not all that it was cracked up to be in the ESB. In fact, its absense almost leads one to believe its presense in ESB is a cheap home cure recipe. Kind of like dipping Luke in chicken soup. 
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Arawn_Fenn
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Bacta, tractor beams, ion cannons... why is so much tech from TESB never mentioned again in the entire film series? 
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voodoopuuduu
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Tractor beams were in ANH.
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Arawn_Fenn
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4/10 8:51pm
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Yeah, I know. When I said "never mentioned again" I meant in any of the films released after TESB.
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JEDI-RISING
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I never thought about cloning new organs. Yeah, that is a plot hole. They could have at least given him new lungs, couldn't they??
I don't know, reading Dark Lord, i did get the feeling the suit was at least not thought out that well. Palpatine gave him longer legs to begin with, and he seemed to have trouble walking. Just because he got better at it , doesn't mean it was as good as it should have been.
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TaunTaunHerder
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4/16 10:11am
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Thst's like asking "Did 2-1B try to keep Luke's right
hand weak because he just happened to have a perfectly fitting
artificial hand after Luke lost it on Cloud City?"
I mean, he could've cloned a hand for him. They can clone whole people,
so why not just a clone a right hand instead of a giving him a mechanical hand?
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TaunTaunHerder posted:
Thst's like asking "Did 2-1B try to keep Luke's right
hand weak because he just happened to have a perfectly fitting
artificial hand after Luke lost it on Cloud City?"
I mean, he could've cloned a hand for him. They can clone whole people,
so why not just a clone a right hand instead of a giving him a mechanical hand?
The rebels didn't have access to cloning tech, as far as I know.
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Darth_Davi
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Palpatine certainly did though...
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emporergerner
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4/16 5:55pm
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Maybe cloning organs and inserting them into an almost dead human being may have been a big risk Palpatine was not willing to take.
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Darth_Davi
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yet he was perfectly comfortable installing artificial, mechanical limbs?
With cloned body parts, the replacement limbs would already match Anakin's blood type, in fact, cloned body parts would be almost certain to be rejection-proof. It seems to me, that biologically, Anakin's body would be far more likely to reject an artificial mechanical limb than it would flesh and blood limbs that already match his DNA and blood type, and would allow the midichlorians to continue to flow completely through him...
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