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Darky5K
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4/1 3:23pm
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The CIS and Rebellion
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We know many of the CIS became Rebel supporters during the Civil War because it was realized the root of the corruption that disgusted many was Palpatine himself and his close associates. Though, I wonder did any of them think before joining the CIS?
For example, a lot joined because of the corruption caused by such organizations like the Trade Federation and Techno Union. Did any of these people think they were siding with the groups responsible?
Going a step further, did Dooku ever make the claims of a Sith Lord ruling the Senate over CIS propaganda shadowfeeds? Gunray knew Sidious and knew Sidious was the reason he avoided being put in prison after the blockade of Naboo, same goes for all the CEOs of the other corporations. Did they fabricate a half-truth to keep the public in CIS worlds underthe illusion of them fighting the Sith they were allied with?
I wanted to put this in the prequal forum, but I can't access it. Mainly, this is about the CIS and Rebellion of course.
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rechedelphar
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Ate you comparing the ideals of the Rebellion to the ideals of the CIS? If so than that is a very good question
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Spike2002
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4/5 6:34pm
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The CIS and the Rebellion had nothing to do with each other. The CIS was essentially a corrupt, capitalist organism in the thrall of Darth Sidious. The Rebellion were Republic loyalists determined to restore the government to how it had been pre-Palpatine.
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voodoopuuduu
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Spike2002 posted:
The CIS and the Rebellion had nothing to do with each other. The CIS was essentially a corrupt, capitalist organism in the thrall of Darth Sidious.[/b]
That could be said of the Republic as a hole, especially the socialist systems. The socialists would be the ones to benefit from most of the graft and corruption, from the largess of government spending.
[b] The Rebellion were Republic loyalists determined to restore the government to how it had been pre-Palpatine.
I would hope their goals were much higher, as the Repubilic pre-Palpatine was a corrupt, crumbling mess, hence his opportunity to rise to power.
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Spike2002
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Very true, and for this reason the New Republic essentially failed after 20 years of existence.
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Darky5K
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4/7 12:09am
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Spike2002 posted:
The CIS and the Rebellion had nothing to do with each other. The CIS was essentially a corrupt, capitalist organism in the thrall of Darth Sidious. The Rebellion were Republic loyalists determined to restore the government to how it had been pre-Palpatine.
I take it you didn't know about the Bith or the Givin joining because of corruption in the Senate? Yes most were drawn in by corrupt senators working for Sidious, but some in the Republic were involved too.
IIRC, they had a little bit of it in Dark Lord: Rise of Darth Vader, where the renegade Clone Commanders and the Murkhana fought together against Vader's forces. Then I know the Wookiees used CIS droids during the invasion of Kashyyyk and some of the mercs joined them.
The Jedi Dass Jennir led the last Separatists on New Plympto against Imperial forces when Sidious delcared Order 66. In fact, the Commander of the CIS forces said he respected the Jedi because he knew they fought for the right thing under a lie, as did he. They both said they knew Palpatine lied about the Jedi plot to take control and I don't know if they put it together that Palps was Sidious.
All the Jedi knew Sidious was the CIS leader, and I think it became obvious Sidious was ruling the Senate after Order 66, since they discussed that in the Vader book about Sidious controlling Palpatine.
To me, it just sounded like segments of the CIS citizens heard about Sidious ruling the Senate, however they didn't know about his connection to the CIS leadership.
The Battle of Acherin had the Seps who were signing a treaty with Jedi Garen Muln, actually HID him when Order 66 was ordered. They got him off the Ilum to reunite with other Jedi to fight Palpatine, while the resistance fought back against Imperial forces for a year until an orbital bombardment burned the capital down.
Some soldiers too, I think became mercs that joined the Rebellion when it was formed.
Fact is, Sidious pissed a lot of people off.
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Darky5K
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Spike2002 posted:
Very true, and for this reason the New Republic essentially failed after 20 years of existence.
That's one thing I don't like about the post-ROTJ EU, aside from the Thrawn trilogy maybe, they destroyed everything that was established by the films.
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I think the fundamental difference between the two is that the CIS wanted to leave the Republic (at least on the surface, while Palpatine obviously had his own purposes), but the Rebellion wanted to restore it. That difference is so monumental that I don't see the relationship other than 'opposition to the major power'. Sure, some in the CIS might have joined because of Republic corruption, but a desire to leave is different from a desire to reform.
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Darky5K
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Onoto posted:
I think the fundamental difference between the two is that the CIS wanted to leave the Republic (at least on the surface, while Palpatine obviously had his own purposes), but the Rebellion wanted to restore it. That difference is so monumental that I don't see the relationship other than 'opposition to the major power'. Sure, some in the CIS might have joined because of Republic corruption, but a desire to leave is different from a desire to reform.
Well, the thing is that Dooku often spoke of the only way to leave the Republic was to destroy it and rebuild from there. Kinda the same, only different institute
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voodoopuuduu
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But thats Dooku, "Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now". The other CIS leaders could care less about reform, they just wanted out.
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Spike2002
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The other CIS leaders could care less about reform, they just wanted out.
Motivated by greed more than anything.
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Darky5K
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voodoopuuduu posted:
But thats Dooku, "Lies, deceit, creating mistrust are his ways now". The other CIS leaders could care less about reform, they just wanted out.
That's true, then again, Dooku didn't care either. He just wanted to establish the Empire and thought he'd have Vader's job in the CT. Either way, we know some of the planets joining because of genuine disgust over the corruption in the Senate. Like I said, I wonder if Dooku said over the CIS propaganda shadowfeeds that a Sith Lord was ruling the Senate and planned to make a totalitarian state.
In Labyrinth of Evil, Dooku remembered telling Obi-Wan on Geonosis this on Sidious' orders to spread uncertainty in the Republic. The Sith were remembered in history, and if it was said they were back, I would assume there would be terror. Imagine if we were given proof that Hitler was still alive and he was amassing an army within the highest posititons of the U.N. and planned on ruling the world. This would easily scare some of those worlds that suffered heavily under Sith rule years before into joining for protection.
I seriously doubt every planet that joined willingly, the ones with substantial CIS support, were under control of a corrupt senator who was being bribed.
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The Trade Federation and most of the Separatist Council knew about Sidious and Dooku being Sith Lords....I doubt it would have been in Dooku's interest to portray the war as being fought against Sith domination. Dooku was idealistic, yes, but if he shared that with the Separatist Council I think he would have found himself short an army or two.
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Darky5K
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Alpha-Red posted:
The Trade Federation and most of the Separatist Council knew about Sidious and Dooku being Sith Lords....I doubt it would have been in Dooku's interest to portray the war as being fought against Sith domination. Dooku was idealistic, yes, but if he shared that with the Separatist Council I think he would have found himself short an army or two.
That's the corporate leaders who get the full scoop though. He could just say this to brainwash the populace into not resisting him. In fact, more people may sign up to fight, thus prolonging the war. It's a web of confusion and lies, exactly what the Sith are best at.
Sidious never told anyone his intentions, why would he allow the populations of CIS worlds believe 'okay, we're succeeding now for no real reason, just shut up about it and listen to us'?
We know Sullust was a planet under Commerce Guild control, yet during the Empire, they join the Rebels. A common enemy makes old foes allies.
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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The CIS wanted to break off from the Republic because of business opprotunities, but the Rebellion wanted to restroe freedom and peace to the galaxy so that it would be a better place to live in.
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Another big difference is the type of power wielded by the CIS and the Rebel Alliance. The CIS types mainly had economic power, while the Rebellion was made up of former Republic bigwigs (Bail Organa, Mon Mothma, etc.). This fact lends credence to the idea the "Alliance to Restore the Republic" is truly trying to restore the Republic rather than gain power and inflate their pocketbooks.
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