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Wouldn't Luke have had to make a conscious choice to join the darkside
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darkchrono
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4/3 8:03pm
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Wouldn't Luke have had to make a conscious choice to join the darkside
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In the movie they make it seem that Luke would have turned to the darkside had he killed his father regardless of rather he would have wanted to or not.
But from all that I have seen (and especially with Anakin's story) people had to make a conscious choice to join the darkside.
So how could Luke have joined the darkside simply by killing Darth Vader in a fit of rage regardless of the fact that he didn't want to join the darkside.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_
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4/3 8:09pm
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I wouldn't exactly say Anakins choice was of his conscious, seeing as he was convinced the whole time that he was doing it for all the right reasons, to take the bad with the good.
Luke would be considered turning to the darkside if he killed Vader if a fit of rage, because real Jedi do not use their emotions as fuel to their power. Only litterally would he bestow the title of Dark Lord, only because the strongest rule the Sith and he'd be proving his worth by killing Vader. However, it wouldn't make him completely turn at the time, it would just get him started down the path.
Kinda like Anakin and the tusken slaughter. He was still a Jedi at the time, with no thoughts of joining the Sith. But his anger got the best of him and eventually he just made a pattern out of it.
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Nichtganz
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Think of it like marriage, you have to feel dedicated to your wife, but you do have the option of cheating on her, and or leaving her. I know it is a bad example, but this is off the top of my head.
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zombie
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4/3 8:41pm
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I think the whole conception of the dark side was that it was like some virus that would infect you. Once you used it, its taste would be so alluring that you'd want to use it again, and slowly you would be overtaken by it. It's like what Yoda says about Vader going down the dark path and being consumed in ESB. So even though Luke didn't want to use the darkside, he nonetheless found himself doing so--its choice on the one hand, because its stil Luke choosing to do so, but at the same time he would be at the mercy of the corrupting power driving him to make such decisions.
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voodoopuuduu
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So how could Luke have joined the darkside simply by killing Darth Vader in a fit of rage regardless of the fact that he didn't want to join the darkside.
The fit of rage would be the dark side power. But if Luke had killed Vader calm and cool, then he would have been alright. 
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Onoto
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Nichtganz posted:
Think of it like marriage, you have to feel dedicated to your wife, but you do have the option of cheating on her, and or leaving her. I know it is a bad example, but this is off the top of my head.
Marriage and unfaithfulness aren't bad examples actually. You can't just give into your emotions whenever temptation beckons, because you do have a greater obligation. Even if it is simply the lust and not a conscious decision, it is a choice that one has to live with if it happens. It's the same with Luke's rage. If he'd acted on it, he would have been responsible for it.
I think that if he could have killed Vader and the Emperor without giving into rage he would have been fine, but but I'm not sure he had the self-control to do that.
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sith_rising
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He wouldn't have to make a conscious decision to become evil, but he would have to make the decision to become a Sith Lord and apprentice to Darth Sidious.
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DarthButt
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Onoto posted:
I think that if he could have killed Vader and the Emperor without giving into rage he would have been fine
Yes. One of the points that Yoda was making was that the darkside consumes you so easily that you may not be able to help yourself if you become influenced by it. I think it very much depends on your emotional state when you kill. If you are doing it out of anger and hate, yes that's definitely where you don't want to go. But if you are killing out of the greater good to stop evil, without fueling those emotions, then you're fine.
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zombie
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DarthButt posted:
Yes. One of the points that Yoda was making was that the darkside consumes you so easily that you may not be able to help yourself if you become influenced by it. I think it very much depends on your emotional state when you kill. If you are doing it out of anger and hate, yes that's definitely where you don't want to go. But if you are killing out of the greater good to stop evil, without fueling those emotions, then you're fine.
Thats an interesting way of looking at it, and it highlights one of the more complicated issues that comes out of the films: how to kill someone, yet still remain a moral person. I suppose from a Jedi's perspective, all killing must be done with a sort of detached, logical motivation behind it (ie for the salvation of the galaxy). It reminds me of a story Joseph Campbell tells in The Power of Myth: the master of a samurai apprentice is slain by an enemy, and the apprentice then must avenge his master. After many years, he finally tracks down his master's killer and is about to do him in, when, in a fit of passion, the man spits in the apprentice's face. The samurai stops, calmly sheathes his sword and lets the man go. The lesson being that if he had killed him at that moment he would have been doing so out of anger.
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