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Did people know Vader was a Sith?
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Darky5K
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4/20 3:47pm
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Did people know Vader was a Sith?
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The name Darth was synonomous with the Sith Lords of old, and with as much horror and destruction as they brought about, I doubt they were forgotton in only 1000 years. Especially if there were conspiracy theories and rumors the Sith survived (how this fact entered mainstream is unknown. Perhaps Bane made the rumors to spread fear?)
Anyway, with the fact that the Holonet and the Senate reported on the Sith resurgence during the Clone Wars under Dooku and the reported Sidious, and then this guy pops up with a Sith name after the Sith Master was never captured, did anyone other than the Rebel leaders put two and two together? It'd be like if the word Fuhrer or Aryan was used in German politics again.
Then take into account the Force powers he wielded and the red lightsaber. Everyone but Palpatine, Jabba, and Xizor feared Vader and knew his ruthless reputation.
True, Lucas didn't have the Sith idea as concrete in the 70's, but he did line them all up with the prequals.
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Jango10
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I would say people knew Vader was a Sith. But they probably didn't think that the Sith were inherently evil (shortly after ROTS at least). The galaxy had just survived a "Jedi Rebellion" and since the Sith were the anti-Jedi, I bet the people of the newly formed Empire liked it.
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Darky5K
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I don't know about that. I had a little bit to contradict that in my 'Was the Rebellion Pro-Jedi' thread. People knew the Sith led the CIS, and knew Dooku was a Sith and that Sidious was on the loose. And with their history, I doubt they'd be that welcome by many worlds. Much as I linked the Sith to the Nazis, Germany and those other nations wouldn't accept a Neo-Nazi politician.
In my Rebellion thread, I pointed out the fact that in Labyrinth of Evil that they got an image of Sidious and were able to follow him to the 500 Republica. Then they see him again as Palpatine declaring himself Emperor. Then Vader pops up.
I would believe, that if the Sith were known to be ruling the Empire, that motivated the Rebellion to fight back. Let's face it, if these guys manipulated the war and devastated your home for power, got away with it, were rewarded and could enslave you afterwards, I'd be ready to attack them too.
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sith_rising
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Anyone who knew what a Sith was, must have known that Darth Vader was indeed a Sith.
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rumsmuggler
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Yes. People knew that Vader was a Sith lord.
However, only a small number of people(some high ranking imperials, Boba Fett, Luke, Yoda, and a handful of Rebels, a few crimelords, and information brokers, etc..) knew that Palpatine was a Sith during the OT. The general public found that out sometime after ROTJ.
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JediMasterChiefYoda
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Maybe they knew, and maybe the general population didn't care. It wasn't like it was Count Dooku was still running around. Darth Sids may have been Top Secret, For Your Eyes Only blah blah blah sorta info. Even if he wasn't, after Lord Vader put down the 'Jedi Rebellion,' the VERY next thing he did was to go and destroy (kill) the CIS leaders. For all the general population knew, if Sids was known about, is that he, as THE CIS leader, was killed with Nute and Poggle.
As for Vader's ruthlessness, show me ONE event in the CT where he abused local populations. GM Tarkin destroyed Alderaan; Lord Vader didn't even know what our bud Tarkin was up to until he did it.
The only thing he did was could possibly be considered a war crime was killing his own officers. However, since we don't know much about Imperial Military Law, maybe there is a death penilty for screwwing up an attack in which many stromtroopers and equipment will be lost.
Case in point: General Tagge -- strangled to show that the Force was a (pardon the pun) force to be reckoned with. If he was truely worthless (as an officer), I don't think Lord Vader would have released him. Therefore, it shows that Tagge has some worth as an officer.
ADM Ozzel -- Dropped his fleet out of hyperspace and allowed the rebels to raise thier shields. This made invasion of Hoth harder then it needed to be, and prevented a "softening up" from the Star Destroyers. Granted, Vader, at that point, knew about Luke and therefore wouldn't just level the whole base, but Ozzel screwed up the suprise attack. Also, remember while he was dying, Vader said, "You have failed me for the last time, Admiral."
CPT Needa -- Lost the Falcon after it was almost in range of the Avenger's tractor beam. Vader knew he could use Han, Chewie and Leia as a trap to capture Luke, but because of Needa's screw up, time, equipment and men were lost during the unkown amount of time Han was about to hide in the space slug belly.
ADM Piett -- Watched in mortal fear for his life as the Falcon escaped from Cloud City with Luke onboard after Artoo figured out that the hyperdrive was just turned off. Lord Vader must have realized that this wasn't Piett's fault; but I would hate to be the technician/officer who put this in Cloud City's central computer. As Uncle Owen once said, I'm sure there "was hell to pay."
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rumsmuggler
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I'm sure if Vader knew that Artoo was around, he had little chance to capture the Falcon.
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Darky5K
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JediMasterChiefYoda posted:
Maybe they knew, and maybe the general population didn't care. It wasn't like it was Count Dooku was still running around. Darth Sids may have been Top Secret, For Your Eyes Only blah blah blah sorta info. Even if he wasn't, after Lord Vader put down the 'Jedi Rebellion,' the VERY next thing he did was to go and destroy (kill) the CIS leaders. For all the general population knew, if Sids was known about, is that he, as THE CIS leader, was killed with Nute and Poggle.
As for Vader's ruthlessness, show me ONE event in the CT where he abused local populations. GM Tarkin destroyed Alderaan; Lord Vader didn't even know what our bud Tarkin was up to until he did it.
The only thing he did was could possibly be considered a war crime was killing his own officers. However, since we don't know much about Imperial Military Law, maybe there is a death penilty for screwwing up an attack in which many stromtroopers and equipment will be lost.
Not so on the population part. It had been reported in the Holonet that Sidious was running around, so it was in the news the Jedi were looking for him. Padme knew of Sidious, as did Palpatine acknowledge this. I don't see Palpatine being the type to let something that big slip out of his mouth on accident. Then you have some of the books right after ROTS that have people asking about Sidious and who Vader is. The fact Palpatine wasn't covering his tracks anymore because no Jedi were left added to his growing arrogance we see in ROTJ.
If the Sith were known to be a master and an apprentice, I would assume people would wonder why Vader, a Sith Lord, is taking orders from an old man with a prune face. If Palpatine was a regular man as we originally assumed before seeing his power at the end of ROTJ, Vader could've crushed him with no problem. Something about Vader and Palpatine scared the Rebels when they were mentioned before the Battle of Endor, and we can take some events in the EU as canon to their crimes. Even in Death Star, there were rumors going around Palpatine wielded a lightsaber.
Let's say the public was informed of Vader killing the CIS leaders, still, why would a Sith bow to an average man with no power?
As for the choking, I don't think it was Tagge, IIRC it was Admiral Motti who made Vader angry with the Force remark.
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DarthButt
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It's perhaps like the "silent majority". Yeah, they were upset with it, and allowed far too many things to happen without standing up for it in the first place. Then over time it was out of fear to even say anything at all, which is why the Rebellion and it's cause became so popular amoung the populace.
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Darky5K
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I just remembered something else about Palpatine mentioning the CIS leaders were killed, they didn't release information regarding the assassination for at least two months, using it as a possible threat to keep building up the military. The TF among other leaders were confirmed dead, but Sidious is never mentioned.
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Darky5K
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If we want to step into the EU for a moment too, we also have Renegade Squadron knowing to attack Palpatine on Korriban and to destroy the Sith artifacts to anger him.
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JEDI-RISING
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I would think a lot of people don't know. After all it's a thousand years since the Sith have moved freely about the Galaxy. The general public probably doesn't have much knowledge. Think Han in ANH. He doesn't think much about the force or the Jedi.
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THE_PIED_PIPER
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4/22 4:10pm
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My impression was always that people knew Vader was a Sith. You can look to comments in The Truce at Bakura for that. It was Palpatine that people did not suspect of being Sith.
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JumpinJax
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He was referred to as "Dark Lord of the Sith."...
So I'm gonna go out on a limb and say yes, they knew.
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Icestar63
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Yes, I think they knew, in my opinion.
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EmeraldBlade
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They knew that he was no Jedi and that he was a force user.
I imagine that word spreads rather quickly about a person that can force choke.
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