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rumsmuggler
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5/5 7:40am
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Anakin's death does make me a bit sab at times, but the Force(Yoda, and Obi Wan) decided that Anakin has lived in hell for the past 20 or so years and let him become a Force Ghost.
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Chico_Jedi
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I don't think they let him become a Force-ghost. He did it himself. If anyone would ahve helped him, then it was probably Qui-Gon himself.
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DantSolo
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Although it was a selfless act that Vader did by killing the Emperor, what did he really have to live for? The Emperor had betrayed him, was going to kill his son... so even if he let Luke die and lived to tell about it, he was now humbled by the fact that he was not worth very much to the Emperor. Which he probably knew all along, but hadn't had confirmation until then. So I see his act as one part redemption and one part his only logical alternative.
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Angel_Blue01
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I've always felt sad when Anakin dies, he's just come back from the dark side and he dies by his son.
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rumsmuggler
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Chico_Jedi posted:
I don't think they let him become a Force-ghost. He did it himself. If anyone would ahve helped him, then it was probably Qui-Gon himself.
I remember a few opposing things that said otherwise, but I guess that has been changed over time. He didn't learn how to do it, but since he was pretty much a force demi-god, I guess he ghosted automatically.
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Arawn_Fenn
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He was taught by Yoda and Obi-Wan.
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Darth_Davi
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When? If it was something that could be learned post-mortum, Obi-Wan and Yoda wouldn't have needed to learn it until after they died, and Yoda's line in ROTS about Obi-Wan having further training to do is meaningless.
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No disagreement from me.
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Darth_Davi
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If you aren't disagreeing, how can you explain Anakin being able to do it without it being something he can naturally do as the Chosen One? Yoda's line implies it must be learned prior to death, thus explaining himself and Obi-Wan. Yet Anakin never had a chance to learn the technique from either Yoda or Obi-Wan, and still manages it. The only plausible reason I can come up with requires Anakin to just be able to do it, just because he can. (maybe like how some savants can hear a tune once, and be able to replay it on the piano note for note, they can't explain how they do it, all they know is that they just can). So, I guess, I am confused. How can you state that he was taught the ability by Yoda and Obi-Wan, at the same time agree that it must be something taught prior to death, even though Anakin didn't have time to learn it from them prior to his death? Its a contradiction. It must be taught prior to death, Anakin didn't learn it prior to death, yet, there he is. Anakin must be somehow different from all other Force users in that he, and he alone, didn't need to learn it, it came naturally.
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Chico_Jedi
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
He was taught by Yoda and Obi-Wan.
How so? Did they appear to him just the milisecond before he died and gave him instructions of how to do it? 
And it doesn't really make any sense if they had met him in the afterlife.
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If you allow me to drag a piece of EU into this thread... According to the Rise and Fall of Darth Vader your consciousness doesn't fade away directly after death. After dying Anakin finds himself floating (sort of... you know, without a body) around in a big black nothing, then Obi-Wan appears as a bright light and offers to teach him the technique before "consciousness fades".
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oh, wow, really?
that's incredibly lame. Why oh why isn't "He's the Chosen One!" enough? He was made by the Force. Unless that Plagueis rumor becomes official.
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Darth_Davi posted:
If you aren't disagreeing, how can you explain Anakin being able to do it without it being something he can naturally do as the Chosen One? Yoda's line implies it must be learned prior to death, thus explaining himself and Obi-Wan. Yet Anakin never had a chance to learn the technique from either Yoda or Obi-Wan, and still manages it. The only plausible reason I can come up with requires Anakin to just be able to do it, just because he can. (maybe like how some savants can hear a tune once, and be able to replay it on the piano note for note, they can't explain how they do it, all they know is that they just can). So, I guess, I am confused. How can you state that he was taught the ability by Yoda and Obi-Wan, at the same time agree that it must be something taught prior to death, even though Anakin didn't have time to learn it from them prior to his death? Its a contradiction. It must be taught prior to death, Anakin didn't learn it prior to death, yet, there he is. Anakin must be somehow different from all other Force users in that he, and he alone, didn't need to learn it, it came naturally.
Lucas said it was because of Yoda and Obi-Wan, and in the words of Qui-Gon Jinn: "It cannot be granted; it can only be taught."
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venereth
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Yeah, being he most powerful Jedi and the Choosen One lets you break the rules a bit.
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Malikail
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venereth posted:
Yeah, being he most powerful Jedi and the Choosen One lets you break the rules a bit.
That would have been good enough for me if they never offered an explanation, and Lucas should never have commented on this.
If ask about it he should have said "He gets 3 limbs cut off at once, and is burned so severely that his head cracks open, yet survives and you have a problem with how he is about to come back as a ghost?" and just laughed.
that's all he should have said.
I think its because they were written and filmed so far apart that Lucas had his ideas change over time, but his answers are almost never helpful and serve to cause more arguments than they solve.
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