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Am I the only one who finds Anakin's death as sad?
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Dunedain1
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5/11 2:16am
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Yeah, it is sad. Anakin started out as a really good guy, then fell to the dark side, and when he finally comes back to the good side, it's at the cost of his life. But at the same time, things end up very positive. Because while Anakin did die in the flesh, he has gained eternal life for his soul (which is what really matters) and he can be with his friends forever, including Luke one day, when he joins them. So I'm happy for him. 
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Chico_Jedi
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rumsmuggler posted:
That was intentional on Mara's part.
Yes, but in Sacrifice, Saba or someone mentiones that it is not necessary to become a Force ghosts and that some Jedi decide not to, thus trying to reach an explanation why Mara still didn't do it.
Darth_Davi posted:
what evidence is there that Luke wasn't taught the technique? We only see what, 20 minutes of Luke's entire training on Dagobah, something that had to take at the very least a few months, while the Falcon was slowly making its way to Cloud City without its hyperdrive? For all we know Yoda taught it to him. He knew the technique. For that matter, why couldn't Kenobi's ghost have appeared to him and taught it to him? Luke received a lot of training we don't see in the films, its entirely plausible that this was one of those things learned "off-camera".
Luke was only learning the basics of being a Jedi when he was on Dagobah. I'm not sure if Yoda would teach him something as advanced as this right on.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Darky5K posted:
ROTS? I thought you meant Lucas said Yoda and Obi-Wan TAUGHT it to Anakin
He did imply that.
Darky5K posted:
As for the Shaman of the Whills, that's part of the EU, which Lucas has small say over. He could have figured it out on the other side, Lucas' words in the AOTC commentary seem to suggest something like that.
The problem with anyone learning "on the other side" is that it begs the question of why all the other dead Jedi don't learn it "on the other side".
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rumsmuggler
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Chico_Jedi posted:
rumsmuggler posted:
That was intentional on Mara's part.
Yes, but in Sacrifice, Saba or someone mentiones that it is not necessary to become a Force ghosts and that some Jedi decide not to, thus trying to reach an explanation why Mara still didn't do it.
She wanted to leave physical evidence for the forensics team.
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Chico_Jedi
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Yes but that's not what I intended to point out. My point was the conversation at he funeral about not all Jedi deciding and willing to become Force-ghists once they pass away.
In conclusion, even though one posessed the knowledge or figures it out as he/she is dying, it is not necessary for all powerful Jedi to become a ghost.
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JEDI-RISING
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Yes it is sad. Especially when you think back to him as a boy in TPM.
I don't know about Qui-Gonn. If he had learned it before he died, wouldn't he tell the council? How could he learn it after he died?? An why is it only for force users to keep their identity. I have more trouble with this losing your identity stuff than i do midi-chlorians.
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JediGlass
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Yes, I think it is sad also.
I still dont understand what he means though when he said "tell your sister,...."
What was Luke right about? Still having good inside of him or something else?
Also, I always wondered why Annikan died right there in the first place. Why and How? I mean he wasnt all slahed up and it seemed like he just curled up and died after tossing Palpatine. He still had his mask to keep him breathing and if a bunch of droids can save him and keep him alive after losing all limbs and being basically burned 100%, Im sure they would be able to save him then too. And it wasnt age because he only had ot be 45-50. I just never really got a clear reason on why he couldnt survive and leave with Luke.
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Dunedain1
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5/14 6:42pm
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He had been badly injured by the force lightning of the emperor, and apparently he knew he didn't have much time left by the time they made it to the hangar.
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Eternity85
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5/15 10:51pm
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Vader was ready to die anyway, if someone said they could save him he would tell them not to, and please just let me die.
He was a troubled soul all his life, his death granted him peace... at last..
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Darky5K
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
The problem with anyone learning "on the other side" is that it begs the question of why all the other dead Jedi don't learn it "on the other side".
Well, Anakin is the Chosen One, he fulfilled the Prophecy, so something has to be there to give more leeway for him if he was BORN from the Force itself. Besides, than I may have to go into my rant about how Force ghosts or consciousness was attained for all after the Sith perished 
That, and why would Windu and everyone else appear at the end of ROTJ? They had no connection to Luke. I can see it now, Luke just stops at the celebration and says, "Hey, who the h*** are the rest of you guys?"
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Darky5K
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JEDI-RISING posted:
Yes it is sad. Especially when you think back to him as a boy in TPM.
I don't know about Qui-Gonn. If he had learned it before he died, wouldn't he tell the council? How could he learn it after he died?? An why is it only for force users to keep their identity. I have more trouble with this losing your identity stuff than i do midi-chlorians.
Same here, the ROTS novel makes it sound like Qui-Gon learned at death or after. Like, maybe he was the prophet to usher in the Hero of all the universe.
Or maybe Qui-Gon just said 'screw you all, that's what you get for not putting me on the Council'.
Personally, I see the whole 'losing your identity' thing as just a bunch of crap from the EU that has no standing in the films. Or, if it does stand in the films, like I said, maybe it changed after the Sith were destroyed, the prohecy was fulfilled, and the evil could no longer twist it for their desires and power.
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Arawn_Fenn
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It's part of the underlying Eastern/Buddhist view of things.
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EECHUUTA
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I don't like the whole "losing one's identity" thing either. That would mean that Anakin would never see Padme ever again, as she would cease to exist. Hopefully it does not stand in the movies and only in the EU, or it gets overridden by later EU.
But just to ask a question or two to make sure I understand: What do they mean by "losing one's identity?" Does it mean merely that you can't come back as a Force Ghost, or does it mean erasure of one's memories and self after death?
And is this ability limited to Light Side Force users?
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It was left up to the audience to decide. I always figured there was another universe where those few who kept their identity move on and remain Jedi and who they were in the GFFA. A new world, a new Sith presence and more battles to win. So they would want Anakin with his high mido count and all other powerful Jedi that may come after. Others lose their identity and are just reborn into the new universe with new personas. I imagined the Jedi there were more enlightened so they marry and such, but I figured part of the happiness was that old relationships were severed by the enlightened Jedi, so Anakin would not miss Padme and he'd just find a new person. The only old connections they'd maintain were with thoe in the old galaxy, helping them when necessry by taking on Force Ghost appearance.
So I saw death for Anakin and the other Jedi who retained their identities as a good and happy thing. A new start, a new world and a new way of thinking about attachment and the other Jedi Rules.
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Darky5K
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EECHUUTA posted:
I don't like the whole "losing one's identity" thing either. That would mean that Anakin would never see Padme ever again, as she would cease to exist. Hopefully it does not stand in the movies and only in the EU, or it gets overridden by later EU.
But just to ask a question or two to make sure I understand: What do they mean by "losing one's identity?" Does it mean merely that you can't come back as a Force Ghost, or does it mean erasure of one's memories and self after death?
And is this ability limited to Light Side Force users?
Supposedly, your whole consciousness fades and your spirit becomes one with the Force for it to leech off of.
As for Light Siders, the EU has screwed it up by giving different stories about the Netherworld that contradict each other. We had a full discussion about it in the EU literature forum, actually.
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