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Am I the only one who finds Anakin's death as sad?
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Alpha-Red
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Apr '04
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7/1 9:21pm
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Honestly, I find the need to shut the PT completely out of my mind when watching the OT. Anakin's character was just done so badly that I just go with whatever was left to our imaginations back in 1983.
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JediLight
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7/1 9:34pm
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Alpha-Red posted:
Honestly, I find the need to shut the PT completely out of my mind when watching the OT. Anakin's character was just done so badly that I just go with whatever was left to our imaginations back in 1983.
I disagree. Anakin in ROTS was pretty good. Not perfect, but better.
The saddest thing about Anakin's death is that he never had his relationship reconciled with Padme.
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NelanisGhost
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7/3 11:36am
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TwiLekJedi posted:
yeah, I tear up every time I read Star by St- oh, wait... Skywalker 
It's bittersweet more than downright sad, isn't it? Sure, he dies, but he dies saving his son after a life of mistakes and evil. He's at peace. Oh yeah, and if he lived, he'd still be a limbless crisp in armor (which they would have to replace - no picture of White Infinities Vader plz  ). So yeah, all things considered it's a good death.
It's a very sad scene, though. Freakin Imperial March on a harp 
Don't be too mean to the limbless. We have a LOT of them since the Iraq war started. I'm sure it's not their choice. I really don't understand making fun of the disabled. They didn't want to be disabled, they lived, despite the injuries. It's a hard life.
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TwiLekJedi
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7/3 12:45pm
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Uh, yeah, I said nothing of the sort. It's the combination of limbless, burned and that suit of armor (under which he's half-machine). It's really not comparable at all. If anything's sad it's that he was turned into a monster after those injuries, which was just exploitation on Palpatine's part.
It's badly worded at best, not putting the emphasis on the Symbol of Evil he had to live as for 20 years. I certainly did not offend real people who lost their limbs. Or were born without them. Or burn victims, for that matter.
And I'm afraid citing Iraq doesn't have nearly the effect on me you would probably have liked 
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NelanisGhost
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7/3 3:24pm
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I didn't want for it to have an effect! It's that I sometimes cringe at the thought of some guy at the VA hospital reading some stuff we say.
I just find it kinda sad that some people, not you per se, but the general feeling is that invalids may as well get euthanized because they're a burden and such. It must be horrible to be the person and feel that way and have your feelings of worthlessness validated.
I'd feel that way, it doesn't seem like life would be worth living to me anyway, but everyone says that. It's all talk til it actually happens.
I know SW is totally fantasy and it's fun to make fun of Vader, and I do too, all the time. I esp love Robot Chicken and Chad Vader. But we have to recall there are a lot of guys like him. Like Chris Reeve: It's rare but, not unheard of. I totally agree about the vanilla Vader. Stooopid!
WHY CAN'T HE CLONE HIS PARTS? IT'S INFINITIES FOR HEAVEN'S SAKE!!!!!!! *tears at hair* Not even in Inifinites do they have any common sense. They bring back WHOLE Darth Maul, but Vader can't have legs and arms? Whatever...
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DarthBoba
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*seizes chance to change topic*
Yeah, Infinities was dumb to begin with. Just ugh...this shows how bad the story would've been if all three had been stand-alone movies.
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General Kenobi
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7/3 5:36pm
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Off topic: The other day as I was walking out of the grocery store, I passed one of my former students, and I had to do a quick double-take because his left arm had been amputated (blown off?) below the elbow. I assumed that he suffered the injury in Iraq, though of course it could have happened here under a number of circumstances (motor vehicle crash, workplace accident, etc.).
On topic: Of course I find Anakin's death poignant and sad. Though not as sad, say, as I do for Yoda (misting up), or Spock (actual tears). I think the reason may be (and I've mentioned this elsewhere) that I was spoiled while waiting in line to watch ROTJ for the first time in 1983. A [non-TOS compliant term] guy yelled that Vader killed the Emperor. So I knew going in that Vader would turn and save Luke, and I wasn't very happy about being spoiled. I think when we watch films again, we often feel emotions similar to our initial viewing experience.
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xx_Anakin_xx
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7/6 3:14pm
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Yeah. The thing is, because he went on to become a Force Ghost, it was not very sad. Also because I think if he had lived, he would have had a horrible existence. Some say he deserved this, but I didn't think so. After all, what did he get for the 23 years of good service? Nothing.
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Chico_Jedi
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7/9 1:26am
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KennethMorgan posted:
then everyone is Force sensitive to one extent or another.
Indeed they are. It all depends on the midichlorian count in a person, and every sentient should have some midichlorians. Otherwise they would be "blank" and undetectable in the Force. Something like the Yuuzhan Vong.  But that's just my two cents.
And the universal Force sensitivity manifests itself best in the Star Wars RPG rules - every character starts off with one Force Point.
JediLight posted:
I disagree. Anakin in ROTS was pretty good. Not perfect, but better.
I agree. His character has improved significantly.
And so did the acting.
xx_Anakin_xx posted:
After all, what did he get for the 23 years of good service? Nothing
Good point. And he was a Hero With No Fear who saved the galaxy on may occasions.
Well, at least he found peace in the Force in the end. And at least he was redeemed - all of which makes his death really sad.
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DARTH-SMELLY-FEET
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7/9 4:33am
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I have to say I do, I always feel sorry for Anakin when I watch that scene.
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Darky5K
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xx_Anakin_xx posted:
Frankly, I made my own up that I like. Gives everyone a happy ending and that is why I was not sad for Anakin or any other Jedi who died. For my part, Anakin needed a new start, so I wasn't particularly interested of what became of Padme; she always seemed like an anchor weighing him down (and visa versa).
What did you make up?
I don't know why, but Johnny Cash's 'Hurt' always seemed to fit the end of Vader's life, as he lay there dying, regretting everything.
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Dunedain1
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It would appear that all those who have led good lives and in effect been on the light side of the force, not just Jedi, live forever. It makes no sense that good people would die, as in cease to be a person, just because they don't happen to have force powers. The thing about the Jedi is that just by being good Jedi, and all that entails, they can be certain of eternal life. As they have fought on the good side all of their lives, and thus deserve the reward they receive.
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sorokseem
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8/30 5:54am
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Darth_Davi posted:
If you aren't disagreeing, how can you explain Anakin being able to do it without it being something he can naturally do as the Chosen One? Yoda's line implies it must be learned prior to death, thus explaining himself and Obi-Wan. Yet Anakin never had a chance to learn the technique from either Yoda or Obi-Wan, and still manages it. The only plausible reason I can come up with requires Anakin to just be able to do it, just because he can. (maybe like how some savants can hear a tune once, and be able to replay it on the piano note for note, they can't explain how they do it, all they know is that they just can). So, I guess, I am confused. How can you state that he was taught the ability by Yoda and Obi-Wan, at the same time agree that it must be something taught prior to death, even though Anakin didn't have time to learn it from them prior to his death? Its a contradiction. It must be taught prior to death, Anakin didn't learn it prior to death, yet, there he is. Anakin must be somehow different from all other Force users in that he, and he alone, didn't need to learn it, it came naturally.
Maybe through his years as a Sith he got some idea about how to do it and he nearly failed but he has done enough for Obi-wan and Yoda to help him?
Arawn_Fenn posted:
Darky5K posted:
ROTS? I thought you meant Lucas said Yoda and Obi-Wan TAUGHT it to Anakin
He did imply that.
Darky5K posted:
As for the Shaman of the Whills, that's part of the EU, which Lucas has small say over. He could have figured it out on the other side, Lucas' words in the AOTC commentary seem to suggest something like that.
The problem with anyone learning "on the other side" is that it begs the question of why all the other dead Jedi don't learn it "on the other side".
Maybe those Jedis does not think of how to do it because they dont believe it would work or they try but fail while some try but succeeded.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Or maybe they've lost their identities and passed into the Force so it's too late.
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It's probably the most poignant moment in the entire saga.
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