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SaberSlash
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5/27 5:35pm
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In ANH, Han states that he does not believe in Hokey religions such as the force. From the films, I do not recall him ever actually acknowledging the power of the force or any belief in the "hokey religion". In ESB, Vader blocks his blaster and force pulls Han's blaster to him, but by ROTJ Han is still expressing doubt about the force and, and specifically, Luke's ability in the film. ("A Jedi Knight?!?" to Chewie in Jaba's prison /or Han doubting Luke on the barge about the upcoming Sarlic Pit)
Maybe the literature clears up Han's beliefs/understanding of the force but I always wondered when in the film that Han actually believes in Luke's use of the force. How did everyone see it? The force topic never seems to be addressed between Luke and Han in ROTJ and the next time Luke uses the force in front of Han (lifting C-3P0 in front of the Ewoks), Han does not seemed impressed or surprised.
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timmoishere
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5/27 5:51pm
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Han has been around Luke long enough by that time to know that the Force exists. His skepticism about Luke in ROTJ merely means that Han doesn't think Luke is skilled enough with the Force yet. Remember, Han didn't know Luke was going to Dagobah for training.
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DantSolo
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5/27 6:34pm
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When Han is taken from the carbonite, the last memory he has of Luke is on Hoth, right after Han had to run out and save him. He doesn't know that Luke has since trained with Yoda. As far as Han knows Luke hasn't trained since Ben died. Therefor, Han still views Luke as a novice Force-user, not a skilled Jedi.
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DarthDuckie
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5/27 6:38pm
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The truly cynical and skeptical can be very difficult to persuade, no matter what the evidence.
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rumsmuggler
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DarthDuckie posted:
The truly cynical and skeptical can be very difficult to persuade, no matter what the evidence.
True, but after Luke and company saved his arse on Tatooine, and after the floating 3-PO incident on Endor, i'm sure that he truly believed.
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TaradosGon
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As has been said, Han knew nothing of Luke's training with Yoda. He saw Luke being tutored by Obi-Wan during the trip to Alderaan, but that was about the extent of what he saw. Over the next three years (between ANH and ESB), Han would not know Luke to be a skilled force user, but rather a skilled pilot whom blew up the Death Star and joined the Rebel Alliance. Upon being revived from the carbonite he learns that Leia and Chewbacca were his rescuers while Luke is off pursuing a goal of becoming a Jedi Knight, which I'm sure sounds ludicrous to Han as he had not known Luke to pursue such a goal beyond training with a remote.
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DarthDuckie
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Yeah, I think his skepticism was with regard to Luke's rise from raw, talented, and well meaning farm boy to Jedi Knight in the space of time that it took him to have a snooze in carbonite.
I think by then Han had seen enough to make him more of a believer. I think even in ANH he was probably like a lot of earthlings. Believing in some kind of supernatural aspect to the Universe, but not that keen on religion as the societal manifestation of that.
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rumsmuggler
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TaradosGon posted:
Over the next three years (between ANH and ESB), Han would not know Luke to be a skilled force user, but rather a skilled pilot whom blew up the Death Star and joined the Rebel Alliance. .
I wouldn't go as far as to say that since within those 3 years, Luke learned telekinesis and maybe a few more things here and there(depending on your standpoint on the EU). I guess it all depends on Han's definition of skilled force user. 
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Sickboy65
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5/28 5:32am
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I think Han starting believing in the Force as early as ANH. If I remember correctly, before the attack on the Death Star, he tells Luke "may the force be with you".
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acmilanboy
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Sickboy65 posted:
I think Han starting believing in the Force as early as ANH. If I remember correctly, before the attack on the Death Star, he tells Luke "may the force be with you".
I must admit, the jury is still out for me as to whether or not he was being sarcastic, saying it sincerely to make Luke feel better or really meant it. At that time, he just got/is going to get an earful from Leia about getting his pay and leaving, so he's still kind of a "scoundrel" to the audience and the other characters, so the first option (sarcasm) may be the answer at first glance.
However, maybe he did say that phrase with good meaning, knowing full well that he intended to save his skin at the Death Star, so option two or even option three might also explain.
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He may very well have been being a little sarcastic when he said "may the Force be with you", but I have a feeling that after seeing Vader and Obi-Wan and then especially after the destruction of the Death Star that he started reconsidering his belief in the Force.
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Sickboy65
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It's been a while since I've payed very close attention to that scene, but I seem to remember the line as one of the few in the whole movie that Han says with sincerity. But, I may be getting in confused with another time.
However it is possible that he just says it to make Luke feel better. But from my perspective, as someone who doesn't believe in god, I would not try to cheer someone up by saying "God bless you" or "I'll be praying for you". I would say something like "good luck" or "best wishes".
Or, he could be being sarcastic. "May the force be with you, because I sure won't be".
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Han believes in the force, but he doesn't appreciate or understand it like a Jedi would. He isn't force sensitive, but he watches Luke partake in this whole other battle against the Empire because of his sensitivity, while Han's more used to the shoot and run in the Falcon.
I'm sure he knows to those it does effect, it holds a certain meaning. But he was never meant to be a Jedi, he was meant to be the sarcastic witty scruffy looking scoundrel we all know and love. If he was going into mystic deep rants like Yoda or Obi Wan, we wouldn't respect him as much. But when he finally does give in, and acknowledges the force for what it is, it's more for Luke's benefit. He's wishing his friend well, and doing so in an important way to Luke.
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Darth_Davi
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I think in ANH, at the beginning, Han clearly does not believe in the Force. By the end of ANH, after he witnessed the minimal training Luke received, he may have begun to rethink the process, maybe. He doesn't believe in the Force, but he doesn't automatically rule it out as a possibility, based on what he saw with Luke and Kenobi onboard. Its also possible that "May the Force be with you" could be a simple greeting, in the same way a Jewish or Muslim person could wish someone "Merry Christmas", without having to accept the holiday themselves. Han could have just been being polite. I do think that his comment about delusions of grandeur was made because he hadn't been filled in on what Luke was doing between Hoth and Tatooine. Its possible that even after getting filled in by Chewie in the cell, that he didn't have a complete picture, as Chewie probably doesn't know the entire story either. However, by the time we get to Endor, and Han has had more of a chance to witness the Force in action, I think he acknowledges that it isn't just a bag of tricks, and that there is substance to it. (As opposed to the Tilanda Til scam in the Han Solo Prequel Trilogy)There is simply no way Han could account for C3PO being levitated like that. Even a diehard skeptic would have to acknowledge that Luke was never in a position where he could have set the scam up, that it had to be legit.
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DarthDuckie
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By later in the trllogy he must surely believe in it. But there's a difference between acknowledging the existence of something and buying into it. For the average person like Han, the Force, or any other supernatural event is not something he can rely on at any given time, so he probably still prefers a good blaster in his hand.
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Darth_Davi
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Okay, but only an idiot would fail to believe in God, upon being presented with clear evidence of God's existence. Han would have been forced to acknowledge that the Force exists, that it is real, it is tangible, and not just something made up by a bunch of monks. He personally witnessed the Force in action, on numerous occasions. If he wasn't convinced by Hoth, he would have been when Darth Vader used the Force to rip the blaster from his hand. By the time of ROTJ, Han Solo would have to have believed that the Force was quite real, and not simply a hokey religion. Maybe he couldn't access it in the way Luke or Vader could, but it was REAL. ANH Han was skeptical of the Force's existence. ROTJ Han knows for a fact it exists. At that point, believing in the Force is really a moot point. If God came to an atheist and said, "Yeah. I am real. Really.", only the most idiotic atheist would continue to deny God's existence. Han is not idiotic. If he didn't believe in the Force during ANH, it could be forgivable. If he still didn't by ROTJ, his intelligence is vastly overestimated.
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