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Han's belief in the existent of the force
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DarthDuckie
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Jan '04
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Date Posted:
5/29 6:54pm
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RE: Han's belief in the existent of the force
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I'm sure he did believe by then, but I don't know whether he thought of it as something useful to him, as he couldn't control or manipulate it.
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Darth_Davi
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5/29 6:57pm
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RE: Han's belief in the existent of the force
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depends on whether or not Han ever read the Star Wars:Infinities on TESB, LOL
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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5/29 7:05pm
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RE: Han's belief in the existent of the force
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In ROTJ, I think that Han said "Jedi Knight?" because he couldn't believe it would actually happen. Instead of sarcasm, I think he was trying to figure it all out and was impressed by what Chewie had said.
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Arawn_Fenn
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5/29 7:07pm
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Yes, he referred to "delusions of grandeur" as opposed to an impossible fantasy.
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DarthDuckie
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5/29 7:15pm
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Darth_Davi posted:
depends on whether or not Han ever read the Star Wars:Infinities on TESB, LOL
LOL. True enough.
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SaberSlash
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5/29 9:15pm
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I agree with Darth Davi on many things. My original question was based on the films, when did Han believe in Luke as a force user. Han did not witness Obiwan using it; he briefly saw from a distance Obiwan and Vader striking sabers with each other while he was running from stormtroopers. While Luke's shot was one in a million, it could have been just that to Han.
Han's farewell to Luke, "May the force be with you", to me was effort to show Luke he respected his beliefs, not acceptance of Luke's beliefs. In ESB, Han still views Luke as an ambitious kid, not a budding warrior. "That's two you own me".
The first time that Han concretely witnessed actual force use in the films was when Vader pulled his blaster to him. As I said in my original post, Han expressed disbelief in the force all together in ANH. Maybe it was after Luke basically took down the entire Hutt establishment that he accepted Luke for what he was becoming, a Jedi. Obviously it is apparent to Han when C3PO is twirled around in front of the Ewoks, that it doesn't phase Han at the point at what is at work.
Maybe a simple question is this: Did Han's eyes open to the reality of the force when he confronted Vader or when Luke saved the day on Jabba's barge? To me Vader, was the eyeopener, but Luke on Jabba's barge erased all doubt.
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Arawn_Fenn
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5/30 3:49pm
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>>"That's two you own me".
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TBL2260
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5/30 6:56pm
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"Maybe a simple question is this: Did Han's eyes open to the reality of the force when he confronted Vader or when Luke saved the day on Jabba's barge? To me Vader, was the eyeopener, but Luke on Jabba's barge erased all doubt. "
If anything, potential death does odd things to a man. Look at Han pre and post carbonite. White light moment ? 
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sith_rising
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5/30 7:17pm
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RE: Han's belief in the existent of the force
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I think that he thought the Force was superstitious nonsense during ANH, but after Luke's victory at the Death Star, probably either reconsidered that Luke was either graced with a supernatural gift, or was incredibly lucky. But after encountering Vader at Bespin, all of his doubts about the existence of the Force were surely erased.
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JediMasterChiefYoda
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Lord Vader ripping Han's blaster out of his hand wasn't Han's first experience with the Force. Even if we discount Luke deflecting the blasts from the remote and Luke's shot into the Death Star, he still had an eye-opening moment in ANH. He saw Obi-Wan get cut in two, but Han, Luke, Leia, and Vader all saw the same thing: Master Kenobi's empty robe and powerless lightsaber hit the deck. Han has seen people die (and who knows, maybe the deathes of several Jedi during 66 was released). There was no way any body just disappears when killed, and Han knew this.
That was his first experience with the Force.
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Vortigern99
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6/4 1:50pm
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Did Han see Kenobi's robes fall to the ground? I'ts rather unclear in the film since we're focusing on Luke's reaction. But even if Han did see the old man vanish, he could still pass it off as "simple tricks and nonsense". Though he did tell Luke "MTFBWY" before the Battle of Yavin.
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rumsmuggler
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6/4 1:55pm
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I don't know if he saw it happen or not. He may have, but he was too busy trying to get on the Falcon and get off of the Death Star.
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TaradosGon
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6/4 5:44pm
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I wonder to what extent Luke himself began to believe in the force. I mean, non-Jedi like Ackbar and Dodonna used the phrase "may the force be with you," expressing belief in the force even though they themselves could not manipulate it as a Jedi could. Han seemed like he was familiar with the concept of the force, but didn't believe in it. Luke on the other hand acted as though he never heard of the force before when Obi-Wan first mentioned it in ANH, but seemed familiar with the term "Jedi." What did Luke think a Jedi was? He was familiar with who they were but wasn't even aware of what made them unique.
When Han expresses doubt in the existence of the force, Luke responds by asking "you don't believe in the force do you?"
Had Luke by that time already taken up a belief in the force on Obi-Wan's word alone? Or was he still unsure and sincerely curious as to what Han's view was?
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