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Arawn_Fenn
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9/4 5:13pm
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Kazanova posted:
I will say late 70's in ROTJ.
AFAIK it's still 86 as far as "official" sources are concerned.
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Kazanova
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What official source talks about it? I'm not trying to call you up on anything, I'm curious.
It's EU, but I refer back to a comment Prince Xizor made about Palpatine somewhere in the short period between ESB-ROTJ. He said Palpatine was like a walking corpse while not even being all that old.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Kazanova
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Thanks. I'd also like to know your take on Prince Xizor's comment about the Emperor.
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Arawn_Fenn
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Steve Perry hadn't yet seen the PT, perhaps? Or in-universe: maybe 86 isn't considered "that old" by GFFA standards?
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Kazanova
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I believe it to be "not that old."
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sorokseem
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I have a theory,Darth Vader probably pilot his interceptor and together with his 501st legion to hunt down jedis instead of only using his lightsaber.  Although he is a cyborg but i dont think this will affect his piloting skills much. 
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PMT99
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Master_Starwalker posted:
Fair enough, but there's also Qui-Gon who was 60 when he died.
As great as Qui-Gon is, he was quite pitiful. After he first fought Darth Maul, we see him fall to the floor trying to catch his breath. He had Obi-wan tag-teaming with him in the 2nd fight with Maul but even then, Qui-Gon was still in trouble. Only when Obi-wan was blocked off by the energy shields did it become certain that Qui-Gon was doomed.
Robal_Krahl posted:
In what universe are you living in? Age affects aliens just as much as humans. Case closed.
The hell it does.
How many humans do you know can live as long as Yoda can? Name one person that can jump from wall to wall like a bouncing ball? Or one that can bencepress 500 tons? Unless you have the Force, all humans are inferior compared to aliens.
Robal_Krahl posted:
Mace has been flirting with the dark side? Well, if we're going to use EU material, then I feel inclined to point out that Mace did not "flirt" with the dark side. In his fighting style, called Vapaad, one begins to brush the dark side if they fight for too long, losing themselves in battle. That is not flirting with the dark side, especially since Mace was extremely careful when using it, pulling out of his style when he got too close to the dark side.
Also, the dark side does not prolong life simply by using it. Plagueis was the only one with the knowledge to control life or death, and by Palpatine's own admission, he does not possess that power.
In the Star Wars universe, human lives are extended. For instance, Boba Fett is 80 years old and fighting not only men who are 60 years younger than him, but fighting Jedi who are 50 years younger. And he's winning. Humans just live longer in the Star Wars universe. Force techniques have nothing to do with it.
If someone is dabbling with the Dark Side while they are fighting an opponent, then they ARE flirting with it. Plus, Yoda mentioned that there is a path to immortality...only its not the kind that PalpSidious is looking for.
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Kazanova
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PMT99 posted:
The hell it does.
How many humans do you know can live as long as Yoda can? Name one person that can jump from wall to wall like a bouncing ball? Or one that can bencepress 500 tons? Unless you have the Force, all humans are inferior compared to aliens.
Dude. Age still affects different species differently. Common sense. Yoda died from natural causes because he was so old.
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PMT99
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Yet, Yoda lasted 9 centuries while most humans wouldn't make it past 70-80.
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Kazanova
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What's your point? Aliens still clearly age when you argued they didn't. Plus, Yoda doesn't belong to the only alien species in the Star Wars universe.
I'll go out on a limb and actually say there are probably species that age faster than humans.
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EmeraldBlade
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TFU suggests that Vader was more than capable of tackling Jedi one on one.
But it was probably a bit too time consuming.
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Robal_Krahl
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PMT99 posted:
The hell it does.
As pointed out earlier, Yoda dies of natural causes. Old age. That right there is a sign of age affecting aliens. Look at the young Rodian in TPM, then look at older members of his species. A significant difference in size, wouldn't you say? That's due to age, as the Rodian in TPM was a child, and the Rodian in ANH was an adult. Age affects alien species in the same way it affects humans. It has been shown time and again in the Star Wars universe. So, again, case closed.
PMT99 posted:
How many humans do you know can live as long as Yoda can? Name one person that can jump from wall to wall like a bouncing ball? Or one that can bencepress 500 tons? Unless you have the Force, all humans are inferior compared to aliens.
Aside from Hutts, very few aliens live as long as Yoda. Aside from that, there are records of humans living hundreds of years; Vima-Da-Boda (around 200 years) and Rell (around 400 years), for example.
What species is the top bounty hunter in the galaxy? Human. If humans were so inferior, how could one rise up above all the supposedly-superior aliens, especially considering that bounty hunters and mercenaries are supposed to be some of the toughest the galaxy has to produce? Humans are not inferior to all aliens. To some, certainly (though I know of no alien that can "benchpress 500 tons" in the Star Wars universe), but not all. Bothans? Rodians? Humans are easily equal to them. Jawas? Humans are far superior. Either way, time takes its toll on all creatures of the galaxy in age. When something gets old, it breaks down. A simple fact of life, even in Star Wars. Some live longer, some live shorter, but eventually they all get old and experience the effects of age.
PMT99 posted:
If someone is dabbling with the Dark Side while they are fighting an opponent, then they ARE flirting with it. Plus, Yoda mentioned that there is a path to immortality...only its not the kind that PalpSidious is looking for.
Again, wrong. Mace brushes with it once or twice, but backs off whenever he feels the dark side trying to take hold. He does not dabble in, nor does he flirt with, the dark side. That gives the impression that he is deliberately tapping into the dark side, which is just plain incorrect. Now, is he toeing the line? Yes. Is he crossing it? No. That is the difference between brushing the dark side and dabbling in it.
The path that Yoda spoke of was being able to return as a Force Ghost. When he was talking about it, it was more of a metaphor... an incorrect one, at that. A Force Ghost can last for only so long before it fully becomes one with the Force (as evidenced by the disappearance of Obi-Wan's Force Ghost over the years).
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A Force Ghost can last for only so long before it fully becomes one with the Force (as evidenced by the disappearance of Obi-Wan's Force Ghost over the years).
That is an EU thing, it does not necessarily hold true in the films. In ROTJ Ben says "Yoda will always be with you". The disappearance of Ben in the EU seems to be partly due to LFL's aggressive insistence on Zahn not using characters "killed off in the films".
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Robal_Krahl
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
That is an EU thing, it does not necessarily hold true in the films. In ROTJ Ben says "Yoda will always be with you". The disappearance of Ben in the EU seems to be partly due to LFL's aggressive insistence on Zahn not using characters "killed off in the films".
I used an EU source because the person I was debating with wanted to use EU sources.
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