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JediPrimePA
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7/10 4:39pm
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Hi, maybe this has been asked before but I got tired of searching..... In ROTJ Luke asks Leia if she remembered her "real" mother and Leia says her mother died when she was very young and only has a few images she remembers. But Padme died right at childbirth so could the newborn baby Leia really remember her?
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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She was referring to her adopted mother (a.k.a. Bail organa's wife), who would have been alive for a few years after RotS.
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jedimasterbac
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It's actually been confirmed that Leia was referring to Padme and that she was able to remember glimpses of Padme from right before she died because of the Force. Whether or not you choose to accept that is up to you, but that is the canon explanation for it.
Hope that helps. 
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Arawn_Fenn
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Who confirmed that?
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zombie
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Common sense.
Its just bad plotting.
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jedimasterbac
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I just did a little digging and while I was wrong about the being able to remember her through the Force bit, since I can't find that anywhere and had thought I had seen it before, the sources do say that she remembers Padme. The official StarWars.Com Databank entry, meaning from Lucasfilm, on Leia says:
"Leia has few memories of her true mother, Padme Amidala. All that Leia can recall is that she was beautiful, but sad."
The Wookieepedia article "Leia Organa Solo" says this:
"However, during the short time between her birth and her mother's death, Leia gained a faint memory of her mother as a beautiful and kind, yet sad woman."
You can believe "Wookieepedia is just a Wiki that anyone can edit" and all that, as some people do, but it does have constant fact checkers. As a member of Wikia myself, I've seen that first hand. Basically, there are two things that point to Leia remembering Padme rather than Breha:
1) The SW.Com Databank entry says it was Padme, and SW.Com is maintained by Lucasfilm which has the final say on what is and is not official canon (though people can have their own interpretations of canon if they wish).
2) There is no other source that confirms that it was not Padme.
Whether or not people choose to believe that it was Padme is up to them. In terms of official canon, though, it was Padme until stated otherwise. Besides, from my personal point of view, I'd rather suspend disbelief and believe that Leia somehow remembered Padme then think she was remembering Breha Organa. That completely destroys the magnitude of the scene because Luke is asking about his mother. There is no drama in Leia remembering someone who we saw on screen for five seconds. But that's just my personal opinion in terms of the dramatic, story-telling point of view.
zombie posted:
Common sense.
Its just bad plotting.
I agree that it's bad plotting, but Lucasfilm can still call it canon if they want to and then it's still left up to the personal interpretation of the individual viewer.
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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Well, the explanation didn't appear in the movie; that definitely would throw some people off.
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jedimasterbac
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JEDIGUNSHIP posted:
Well, the explanation didn't appear in the movie; that definitely would throw some people off.
That goes back to what Zombie said about bad plotting.
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zombie
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I think its just common sense. "Do you remember your mother--your REAL mother?" ie the woman that birthed you, not the woman that raised her. He asks because: "I have no memory of my mother." He wants to know what she is like because the whole conversation revolves around the fact that Luke and Leia have the same mother and same father.
Like I said, common sense. That Leia remembers her and says she died when she was young is obviously just poor plotting when it came to make the prequels. Even still, there's really no other way to read the scene, as its pretty clear what they are talking about.
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jedimasterbac
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zombie posted:
I think its just common sense. "Do you remember your mother--your REAL mother?" ie the woman that birthed you, not the woman that raised her. He asks because: "I have no memory of my mother." He wants to know what she is like because the whole conversation revolves around the fact that Luke and Leia have the same mother and same father.
Like I said, common sense. That Leia remembers her and says she died when she was young is obviously just poor plotting when it came to make the prequels. Even still, there's really no other way to read the scene, as its pretty clear what they are talking about.
Those are basically my feelings exactly.
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Master_Starwalker
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zombie posted:
I think its just common sense. "Do you remember your mother--your REAL mother?" ie the woman that birthed you, not the woman that raised her. He asks because: "I have no memory of my mother." He wants to know what she is like because the whole conversation revolves around the fact that Luke and Leia have the same mother and same father.
Like I said, common sense. That Leia remembers her and says she died when she was young is obviously just poor plotting when it came to make the prequels. Even still, there's really no other way to read the scene, as its pretty clear what they are talking about.
I agree completely.
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Arawn_Fenn
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zombie posted:
Common sense.
Its just bad plotting.
Sure sounds like official confirmation to me. 
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zombie
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Arawn_Fenn posted:
zombie posted:
Common sense.
Its just bad plotting.
Sure sounds like official confirmation to me.
I know,I know, my point though is that
a)any official confirmation is unnecessary in the first place
and b) any officially confirmation that interprets the scene any differently (ie she was talking about her adopted mother) is either a deliberate retcon to hide the poor prequel plotting or made by someone who doesn't actually understand the scene, and in both cases I don't think anyone would buy it. I mean I think there is a limit to how far this "official" thing can be taken, its like if Lucasfilm says Luke had a blue lightsaber in ROTJ even though he clearly had a green one I don't think this somehow trumps common sense on the part of the viewer.
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DRush76
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zombie posted:
Common sense.
Its just bad plotting.
Why? Leia never said that she had any clear memories of Padme.
And if Padme had been alive long enough to raise Leia during those early years, then I would have accused Lucas of bad plotting. Also, it is quite possible for Leia to sense Padme's feelings, considering that she's supposed to be strong with the Force. And it is also possible that those memories could have triggered Leia asking Bail and Breha about her real mother or the woman in her dreams.
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jedimasterbac
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DRush76 posted:
And if Padme had been alive long enough to raise Leia during those early years, then I would have accused Lucas of bad plotting. Also, it is quite possible for Leia to sense Padme's feelings, considering that she's supposed to be strong with the Force. And it is also possible that those memories could have triggered Leia asking Bail and Breha about her real mother or the woman in her dreams.
Yeah, but we're talking about a baby who's five minutes old. That's a stretch even with the Force.
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zombie
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jedimasterbac posted:
DRush76 posted:
And if Padme had been alive long enough to raise Leia during those early years, then I would have accused Lucas of bad plotting. Also, it is quite possible for Leia to sense Padme's feelings, considering that she's supposed to be strong with the Force. And it is also possible that those memories could have triggered Leia asking Bail and Breha about her real mother or the woman in her dreams.
Yeah, but we're talking about a baby who's five minutes old. That's a stretch even with the Force.
Its an even bigger stretch when Luke was with her at the exact same time and has nothing. Its also pretty clear that Leia was saying that she has brief memories from early childhood (ie 2 years old or so) and not from a 30-second-old post-birth.
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