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"Was I any different when you taught me?"
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jedibri
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Date Posted:
7/13 3:47am
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"Was I any different when you taught me?"
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I was watching ESB well just yesterday and this line stood out to me. I've watch ESB well past the point of counting but this line stood out.
When was Obi-Wan anything like Luke in the PT? He wasn't hot headed or over eager to jump into action.
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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RE: "Was I any different when you trained me?"
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I think that all Jedi are impatient as children or teens and even the older more experienced ones. If you remember TPM Obi-Wan does have those moments where he shows some slight impatience and openly shows annoyance at the way Qui-Gon handles some situations.
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jedibri
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7/13 5:16am
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RE: "Was I any different when you trained me?"
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Qui-Gon yes. Obi-Wan no. Remember Qui-Gon was trained by Dooku. It's my humble opinion that the Jedi in training takes on the charateristics of their Master.
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DarthApocalypse
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Date Posted:
7/13 7:29am
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RE: "Was I any different when you trained me?"
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Jedibri you just contradicted yourself. First say that Qui-Gon is reckless and Jedi take on the characteristics of their master, yet you don't believe Obi-Wan inherited any recklessness from Qui-Gon. I disagree. There are plenty of times where Obi-Wan was careless and headstrong. For example:
1. TPM - Obi-Wan knows Anakin is dangerous and tells Qui-Gon so. However when Qui-Gon dies Obi-Wan does a complete 180, not because he re-evaluated his position on Anakin, but because he wanted to honor Qui-Gon's dying words. Extremely foolish to do something you believe is dangerous (especially when you were correct in your assumption).
2. AOTC - Obi-Wan jumping out the window and onto the droid like he's some kind of cowboy. Extremely lucky Anakin was able to grab a speeder and save him in time and that the droid didn't self-destruct.
3. AOTC - Going to Geonosis without calling back-up first. The moment Obi-Wan landed on the planet and saw all the Separatist facilities he should asked for back-up. Instead he delayed and that delay led to him getting captured.
4. ROTS - Jumping down to face Grevious. Again very lucky that Grevious elected to fight Obi-Wan one-on-one and didn't just tell his droids to blast Obi-Wan into slag.
These examples lend credence to Obi-Wan's claim of recklessness in his younger days.
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TwiLekJedi
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7/13 8:07am
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and in TPM, during the duel, he walks around twirling his saber non-chalantly like he owns the place 
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JEDIGUNSHIP
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It was a small plot hole, but I agree with those above and their points.
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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He is too old. Yes. Too old to begin the training.
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General Kenobi
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It's not a plot hole at all.
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I always thought his "pathetic life form" line showed arrogance and a lack of maturity
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GrandAdmiral_Frank
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Clearly Obi-Wan could have learned from Jar Jar on how to be mature.
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jedibri
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But, Obi-Wan never put's his own thought above the Jedi. He works with-in the Jedi way. Anakin is more free thinker. Much along the lines of Dooku & Qui-Gon.
Don't confuse Obi-Wan jumping out a window and other things as his own way of doing things. He did them all in the Jedi framework. Qui-Gon worked on his own for the most part telling Obi-Wan "I must do what I feel is right."
Obi-Wan was a seek the council first Jedi.
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Like another poster said, most younglings are like Luke- eager to gain more strength and power, reckless with said power because they think they're invincible. But the movies never really showed this 100% for Obi Wan. Qui Gon was somewhat reckless and rebellious, and Obi Wan is even shown in TPM reprimanding his own master for it. "You would be on the council."
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jedibri posted:
I was watching ESB well just yesterday and this line stood out to me. I've watch ESB well past the point of counting but this line stood out.
When was Obi-Wan anything like Luke in the PT? He wasn't hot headed or over eager to jump into action.
Was Yoda training Obi-Wan in the PT?
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xx_Anakin_xx
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Yoda trained all the younglings, including Obi-Wan at times.
That line, "Was I any different when you trained me" spoke to off screen action. In the response you have your answer. Obi-Wan was likely a headstrong, reckless, arrogant youngling/Padawan like all the rest, we just never saw the full extent of it - he was already 25 when we saw him on screen I believe. The EU nowithstanding of course because the movies are not based on that.
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DarthBoba
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Yep, Obi-Wan was a doofus in the Jedi Apprentice books, which were probably written with this line in mind.
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EmeraldBlade
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No plot hole, though he seemed fine in the TPM.
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