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Vortigern99  6130 posts
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Date Posted: 7/17/08 12:20pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
Bacon164 posted:
he was mediocre in ROTJ anyways.


Well, so were Luke, Leia and Lando, but no one seems to be gunning for their demises. Escept maybe Lando.

 

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General Kenobi  14005 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/08 1:57pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
The easy way to kill Han off at the end of ROTJ would have been to swap his role with Lando. Han could have died when the Falcon didn't make it out of the Death Star.

And then Lando could have married Leia...

Look out EU! tongue

 
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Bacon164  21481 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/08 4:11pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
it'd be nice if both han and lando kicked the bucket.

 

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Arawn_Fenn  10388 posts
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Date Posted: 7/18/08 4:44pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
EPISODE VII: THE HAN & LANDO BUCKET LIST

 

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Registered: Jul '03
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Date Posted: 7/18/08 6:29pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
Vortigern99 posted:
In this I disagree with Ford and Kasdan, and agree with Lucas, who was steadfast about keeping Han alive. I love the character, I love his relationship with Leia (though obviously it's woefully underplayed in ROTJ). I like to imagine a long and fruitful married life post-Endor, with lots of kids and co-governorship of the Rebellion, and -- of course! -- occasional forays with Chewie in the Falcon into the deep reaches of pirate-controlled space....

In any case I don't think Han's death would serve a purpose dramatically. The old chestnut about introducing fear into the audience's mind -- that if one character gets killed, any of the others could go at any moment! -- is bogus. It actually works out in the opposite way: Once one major character dies, the audience knows for a fact the rest of them are safe. The filmmakers wouldn't kill two major characters in one movie!

Han's death would therefore have been gratuitous. I'm glad he lived, both from a personal emotional perspective and a broader storytelling persepctive.


I agree, i think the key is wonderfully underplayed. But how would they have written his scenes better? I thought Han was so weak in this movie.

 
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DARTH_BELO  754 posts
Registered: Nov '03
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Date Posted: 7/20/08 11:42pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
I would agree that Han dying would add a more epic sense to ROTJ...but I am at odds with what I prefer. On the other hand, Han dying would take the focus off of Luke, Vader, that whole side of the story...

If he died, I thought it could have been like something having to do with destroying the shield generator-like it wouldn't work unless someone stayed behind to trigger something manually. (not unlike what Bruce Willis's character did in Armageddon) He gets destroyed in the explosion of the generator, but helps the Rebel fleet as planned...it's a very honorable way to go...


but I still think that would take a lot of the focus off of the things that matter most in ROTJ...I guess it could work though...

 

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12_parsecs  87 posts
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Date Posted: 7/21/08 1:09pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
Han dying during the battle on endor would have been a brilliant move. We could have then seen Leia overcome with grief and anger, slowly turning to the dark side. This would have opened the door to a sequel trilogy pitting Luke vs Leia.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 7/21/08 1:58pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
I don't see why Han's death would make Leia fall given that the destruction of Alderaan didn't and the fact that she has yet to be trained to use the Force.

 

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THRAWNFAN  465 posts
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Date Posted: 7/21/08 8:34pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo - Date Edited: 7/21/08 8:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: THRAWNFAN
I think Han living was the right decision, what purpose would his death had served? The only way ROTJ could have carried more weight had Endor be destroyed by The Death Star and have Han AND Leia AND Chewie die. That would REALLY have tested Lukes skills as a Jedi, that would be enough to push anyone over the edge. That would of made The Dark Knight look like childs play, and it would of added depth, but it would be too dark for Georges intended audience. I think thats how it should have happened though.

 
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_Sublime_Skywalker_  3874 posts
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Date Posted: 7/21/08 8:59pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
Master_Starwalker posted:
I don't see why Han's death would make Leia fall given that the destruction of Alderaan didn't and the fact that she has yet to be trained to use the Force.


I'm gonna go with Starwalker on this one. Leia seems too strong of a person morally. I think thats an upside to being a politician trained to be a Jedi. They've seen some of the worst and never lose their cool. Also, Leia loved Han but she was still unsure of him up until the end of the film. In the EU, mostly the Courtship of Princess Leia, she has feelings for him but she's not willing to jump the gun quickly. Leia seems more of someone to seriously think out the consequences before acting. If a planet full of people, her homeplanet that she loved dearly, was destroyed and she didn't give into darkness, Han's depth would just be a flesh wound. Sure, she wasn't trained as a Jedi then, but it doesn't take the force to make a person fall into darkness. We see that in our very own world.

 

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Master_Starwalker  17414 posts
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Date Posted: 7/21/08 9:48pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
The point about the lack of Force training is well taken. I was too focused on the Dark Side rather than the dark side. tongue

 

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Katana_Geldar  27919 posts
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Date Posted: 7/26/08 4:33am Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
I know Lando's death scene was filmed so that he wouldn't make it out of the second Death Star but everyone decided with the level of evil the Emperor brought it would be too dark.

Not true, Lando was never meant to die in any version of ROTJ. This was clarified quite a number of years ago on sw.com.

As for Han dying, it doesn't really suit the story unless you had him dying on Endor. The film is about the good guys winning

 

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chibiangi  1962 posts
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Date Posted: 7/27/08 3:03pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
No, Han dying would have ended a storyline that strengthened the plot overall.

Han and Leia's relationship is a counterpoint to Anakin and Padme's. Secondly, Han himself is the "rogue bad boy" who becomes a hero unlike Anakin who is the fallen hero. Hand is a side character whose storyline mirrors and adds to the main storyline. Killing him off would have been silly and not served the story overall.

 

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IG_2000  173 posts
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Date Posted: 8/8/08 10:46am Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo - Date Edited: 8/8/08 10:47am (1 edits total) Edited By: IG_2000
I really wish at least one character would die. Either Han or Lando, or Wedge. Lando or Wedge would've obviously been killed after failing to escape the Death Star.

Han would've been wounded in the bunker. He would've lived long enough to die in the arms of Luke and Leia.

Or, as a twist, he could've been killed during the opening scene with Jabba's barge.

It wouldve added more weight to the story, seeing not ONE character except Obi-Wan and Yoda have died throughout the films. (not counting darksiders)

 

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drg4  820 posts
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Date Posted: 8/9/08 4:02pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
The problem with ROTJ is not that more characters didn't die, but that they weren't given proper depth. Killing Han would not have improved the film one iota; in fact, it would have dragged it down, since the entire first act chronicled his rescue.

As I've stated elsewhere: Han should have either been freed from the carbonite and kept in an unconscious state for the duration of the film, or served as the Emperor's lure for drawing in the heroes. Whatever the case, he should have been consigned to the periphery, thereby directing the focus square on Luke, Leia, Vader, and Palpatine.

 
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