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Vortigern99 Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Nov '00	Date Posted: 7/17/08 12:20pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	Bacon164 posted: he was mediocre in ROTJ anyways. Well, so were Luke, Leia and Lando, but no one seems to be gunning for their demises. Escept maybe Lando. -----signature----- "I knew from the beginning I was not doing science fiction. I was doing a space opera, a fantasy film, a mythological piece, a fairy tale."--George Lucas My "Vader's Origins" thread: http://boards.theforce.net/Classic_Trilogy/b10002/8708417/p1
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General Kenobi Title: Administrator Emeritus Registered: Dec '98	Date Posted: 7/18/08 1:57pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	The easy way to kill Han off at the end of ROTJ would have been to swap his role with Lando. Han could have died when the Falcon didn't make it out of the Death Star. And then Lando could have married Leia... Look out EU!
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Bacon164 Registered: Mar '05	Date Posted: 7/18/08 4:11pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	it'd be nice if both han and lando kicked the bucket. -----signature----- Like a falling leaf to the bottom of the sea there she goes there she goes. My mentor Andalite_Bandit taught me this but it is too long to quote here so I can't tell you.
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Arawn_Fenn Registered: Jul '04	Date Posted: 7/18/08 4:44pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	EPISODE VII: THE HAN & LANDO BUCKET LIST -----signature----- His legions, angel forms, who lay entranced. Thick as autumnal leaves that strow the brooks. <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> <> "Why don't you take your simplistic good/evil dualism and found Zoroastrianism?" - zweebex
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GODS-CHILD Registered: Jul '03	Date Posted: 7/18/08 6:29pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	Vortigern99 posted: In this I disagree with Ford and Kasdan, and agree with Lucas, who was steadfast about keeping Han alive. I love the character, I love his relationship with Leia (though obviously it's woefully underplayed in ROTJ). I like to imagine a long and fruitful married life post-Endor, with lots of kids and co-governorship of the Rebellion, and -- of course! -- occasional forays with Chewie in the Falcon into the deep reaches of pirate-controlled space.... In any case I don't think Han's death would serve a purpose dramatically. The old chestnut about introducing fear into the audience's mind -- that if one character gets killed, any of the others could go at any moment! -- is bogus. It actually works out in the opposite way: Once one major character dies, the audience knows for a fact the rest of them are safe. The filmmakers wouldn't kill two major characters in one movie! Han's death would therefore have been gratuitous. I'm glad he lived, both from a personal emotional perspective and a broader storytelling persepctive. I agree, i think the key is wonderfully underplayed. But how would they have written his scenes better? I thought Han was so weak in this movie.
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DARTH_BELO Registered: Nov '03	Date Posted: 7/20/08 11:42pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	I would agree that Han dying would add a more epic sense to ROTJ...but I am at odds with what I prefer. On the other hand, Han dying would take the focus off of Luke, Vader, that whole side of the story... If he died, I thought it could have been like something having to do with destroying the shield generator-like it wouldn't work unless someone stayed behind to trigger something manually. (not unlike what Bruce Willis's character did in Armageddon) He gets destroyed in the explosion of the generator, but helps the Rebel fleet as planned...it's a very honorable way to go... but I still think that would take a lot of the focus off of the things that matter most in ROTJ...I guess it could work though... -----signature----- There are NO trilogies - only ONE SAGA...
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12_parsecs Registered: Nov '02	Date Posted: 7/21/08 1:09pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	Han dying during the battle on endor would have been a brilliant move. We could have then seen Leia overcome with grief and anger, slowly turning to the dark side. This would have opened the door to a sequel trilogy pitting Luke vs Leia. -----signature----- Because he's the only human that can do it. "Are you still listening? Cuz we're obviously not. We've forgotten our first love, We have lost the plot." -- Newsboys 1. ESB 2. ROTS 3. TPM 4. ANH 5. ROTJ 6. AOTC John 3:17
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 7/21/08 1:58pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	I don't see why Han's death would make Leia fall given that the destruction of Alderaan didn't and the fact that she has yet to be trained to use the Force. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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THRAWNFAN Registered: Mar '07	Date Posted: 7/21/08 8:34pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo - Date Edited: 7/21/08 8:36pm (1 edits total) Edited By: THRAWNFAN
	I think Han living was the right decision, what purpose would his death had served? The only way ROTJ could have carried more weight had Endor be destroyed by The Death Star and have Han AND Leia AND Chewie die. That would REALLY have tested Lukes skills as a Jedi, that would be enough to push anyone over the edge. That would of made The Dark Knight look like childs play, and it would of added depth, but it would be too dark for Georges intended audience. I think thats how it should have happened though.
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_Sublime_Skywalker_ Registered: May '04	Date Posted: 7/21/08 8:59pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	Master_Starwalker posted: I don't see why Han's death would make Leia fall given that the destruction of Alderaan didn't and the fact that she has yet to be trained to use the Force. I'm gonna go with Starwalker on this one. Leia seems too strong of a person morally. I think thats an upside to being a politician trained to be a Jedi. They've seen some of the worst and never lose their cool. Also, Leia loved Han but she was still unsure of him up until the end of the film. In the EU, mostly the Courtship of Princess Leia, she has feelings for him but she's not willing to jump the gun quickly. Leia seems more of someone to seriously think out the consequences before acting. If a planet full of people, her homeplanet that she loved dearly, was destroyed and she didn't give into darkness, Han's depth would just be a flesh wound. Sure, she wasn't trained as a Jedi then, but it doesn't take the force to make a person fall into darkness. We see that in our very own world. -----signature----- 'You don't know the Power of the Darkside!'-Darth Vader
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Master_Starwalker Title: Manager Emeritus Registered: Sep '03	Date Posted: 7/21/08 9:48pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	The point about the lack of Force training is well taken. I was too focused on the Dark Side rather than the dark side. -----signature----- "Imaginary is the future. Always now, even eternity will be." - Yoda "We can never obtain peace in the outer world until we make peace with ourselves." - The 14th Dalai Lama
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Katana_Geldar Title: Former CR Tasmania, AU' Registered: Mar '03	Date Posted: 7/26/08 4:33am Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	I know Lando's death scene was filmed so that he wouldn't make it out of the second Death Star but everyone decided with the level of evil the Emperor brought it would be too dark. Not true, Lando was never meant to die in any version of ROTJ. This was clarified quite a number of years ago on sw.com. As for Han dying, it doesn't really suit the story unless you had him dying on Endor. The film is about the good guys winning -----signature----- Jacen and the two Vergeres http://gmgeldar.wordpress.com/vergere-essay/ Now, if you don't mind, I am somewhat preoccoupied telling the laws of physics to shut up and sit down.
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chibiangi Registered: Jun '02	Date Posted: 7/27/08 3:03pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	No, Han dying would have ended a storyline that strengthened the plot overall. Han and Leia's relationship is a counterpoint to Anakin and Padme's. Secondly, Han himself is the "rogue bad boy" who becomes a hero unlike Anakin who is the fallen hero. Hand is a side character whose storyline mirrors and adds to the main storyline. Killing him off would have been silly and not served the story overall. -----signature----- Talk nerdy to me. mujaki na kao de boku ni hohoemu
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IG_2000 Registered: Aug '08	Date Posted: 8/8/08 10:46am Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo - Date Edited: 8/8/08 10:47am (1 edits total) Edited By: IG_2000
	I really wish at least one character would die. Either Han or Lando, or Wedge. Lando or Wedge would've obviously been killed after failing to escape the Death Star. Han would've been wounded in the bunker. He would've lived long enough to die in the arms of Luke and Leia. Or, as a twist, he could've been killed during the opening scene with Jabba's barge. It wouldve added more weight to the story, seeing not ONE character except Obi-Wan and Yoda have died throughout the films. (not counting darksiders) -----signature----- There is no chin behind Kyle Katarn's beard, just another Bryar Pistol.
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drg4 Registered: Jul '05	Date Posted: 8/9/08 4:02pm Subject: RE: The Death of Han Solo
	The problem with ROTJ is not that more characters didn't die, but that they weren't given proper depth. Killing Han would not have improved the film one iota; in fact, it would have dragged it down, since the entire first act chronicled his rescue. As I've stated elsewhere: Han should have either been freed from the carbonite and kept in an unconscious state for the duration of the film, or served as the Emperor's lure for drawing in the heroes. Whatever the case, he should have been consigned to the periphery, thereby directing the focus square on Luke, Leia, Vader, and Palpatine.
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